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“Stop Chinese Fentanyl Act”
- Thread starter william
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Going a long with that, here's a good bill to pass: If you are a member of Congress or the Senate, for every bill you vote on, you personally (not your staff) need to write a short explanation of why you voted that way and it needs to be public record.
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The Stop Chinese Fentanyl Act of 2025 (H.R. 747) passed the House of Representatives on September 3, 2025, with a vote of 407-4. The four representatives who voted against the bill were:
- Rep. Lateefah Simon (D-CA-12)
- Rep. Delia Ramirez (D-IL-3)
- Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN-5)
- Rep. Summer Lee (D-PA-12)
No further details on their reasons for voting against the bill are provided in the available information. For additional context, the bill aims to impose sanctions on Chinese entities and officials involved in the production, sale, financing, or transportation of synthetic opioids and their precursors, addressing China's role in the fentanyl crisis.
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Besides the 4 dissenters, this bill seems pretty unanimous.Yeah, that'll clean up the streets.
Why do you not think this is a good plan of action? What would your recommendation be to reduce Chinese fentanyl coming into the US?
Or should we just let all the druggies to their own devices?
Short of a military blockade around Mexico stopping and turning around all Chinese vessels supplying chemicals to the cartels in Mexico to manufacture drugs that are then smuggled into the U.S..... the U.S. cannot stop it. Nothing short of a blockade of Chinese vessels docking in Mexico will.
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I don’t know why this isn’t seen as the state-sponsored sabotage this is. 
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It strikes me as futile. America has been at war with drugs for around 70 years now, without making much headway. In fact, things seem to be getting worse, not better.
Don't get me wrong - I don't think it's a bad bill. I just think it won't accomplish the implied goal of keeping America drug-free.
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So one state can allow and likely profit from providing tacit sanctuary to international drug trafficking. Much of which is flowing to a particular nation.I don’t know why this isn’t seen as the state-sponsored sabotage this is.
But that particular nation is prohibited from acting to stop it.
That’s United Nations double speak.
What we all seem to forget is there is no real International legal system to prevent or penalize war or aggression. It did nothing to stop or prevent the Russia Ukraine war.
Stop thinking about international affairs as some global civil system. That’s a fantasy.
Nations, all nations might from time to time use the UN to call attention to their plight. But generally no one is coming to the rescue.
It is the application of diplomatic pressure, military force, and economic coercion that motivates nations to alter course or change behavior.
Power struggles amongst nations has more in common with cartels and gangs fighting for territory and access to markets.
The grand global order people believed in is in the past if it ever really existed.
7gtz this is not an attack on you. It’s just an attempt to expand in broad terms what real world power struggles look and act like.
I don’t see much of a chance of direct invasion of Venezuela. Now stealth drones launching jdam’s or hellfire rockets in cartel compounds. I wouldn’t blink an eye. With additional F-35s in theater they can carry six 2000lb jdam’s plus some.
Should we? I don’t know but we’ve been doing it from Libya to Afghanistan for 25 years and most were silent or applauding those actions.
So no one should be shocked and appalled if we blow up some cartel targets inside Venezuela. Their F-16 close flybys just add legitimacy to striking at cartel compound and assembly areas
We don’t need to invade Venezuela, we need to pressure Maduro and the cartels to either dial it back or face a situation that is either entirely unprofitable or safe for them to continue.
According to another thread the DOW has restructured its defense priorities it sounds like to the western hemisphere.
So this focus on cartels and W. hemisphere is in keeping with the change.
Is that a good idea. I don’t know I’ve never gamed it out.
But I do know that blowing things up in the ME for 20 years didn’t really advance things in a positive direction.
Throwing endless money into Ukraine hasn’t really produced results either. Other than galvanizing Putin’s resolve and and strengthening Russia and Chinas power block. While it’s not many nations, it has forced them to rely and work together much closer.
It’s a new world, blame it on Trump. It’s not his doing though, he didn’t create this divide. The divide over ukraine had occurred before he took office. But he is certainly going to steer it one way or another.
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While there remains a demand in the USA there will be a market and therefore the drug will continue to enter the USA. It it became economically unviable then that would remove the willingness of suppliers to the market especially if they start making losses rather than profits. Just don't know how to achieve this though.
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Drug testing by employers is a pretty powerful tool.
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No nation will ever eliminate drug use, that’s a reality. That doesn’t mean a nation and culture stands by and does nothing.
You fight it at multiple levels and do your best to minimize its influence.
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No I definitely agree with you, what I was trying to say is that China is also complicit by providing the chemicals to the cartels & their part should also be recognised as state-sponsored sabotage.
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Yes unfortunately that would never happen for the music industry, movie industry and government sectors and politicians.
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Olympics always drugs tests when they can. But this is not convenient for all Olympians. So now a new creation exists for those who prefer performance enhancement drug use. A separate Olympics designed to cater solely for performance enhancement drug use. Amazing what use to be fround upon is now so acceptable and catered for. 
and as we know this is only 1 example of how society has become so understanding and supportive of change for what apparently is for the better and growth of new horizons in the future .
personally I don't see it , but than again I'm old school I guess. I don't see the beautiful new civilisation being created by such forgiving,understanding and acceptance etc etc. I do appreciate my age more nowadays grateful I'm not 30-40 yrs younger.
and as we know this is only 1 example of how society has become so understanding and supportive of change for what apparently is for the better and growth of new horizons in the future . personally I don't see it , but than again I'm old school I guess. I don't see the beautiful new civilisation being created by such forgiving,understanding and acceptance etc etc. I do appreciate my age more nowadays grateful I'm not 30-40 yrs younger.
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Is this really happening? If so I wasn't aware - I'm not sure how I feel about drug use becoming accepted.Olympics always drugs tests when they can. But this is not convenient for all Olympians. So now a new creation exists for those who prefer performance enhancement drug use. A separate Olympics designed to cater solely for performance enhancement drug use. Amazing what use to be fround upon is now so acceptable and catered for.
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Yes it may take time to organise but definitely happening to my knowledge. I agree unacceptable behaviour but I think who ever is behind the idea and support is trying to see the human limitations and potential possibilities regardless of outcomes to the individuals as it is their own choice. Easy sell on idea as I'm sure it will be pushed that it will remove such issues from current Olympics to offer choice so medals won't be stripped from participants in an Olympics specific to drug enhancement performance.
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Yeah it's like a "superhuman Olympics". I think it's a neat experiment, personally. It's not really about normalizing drugs in other sports, IIRC some billionaire basically just thought to himself, "wouldn't it be neat to make a bunch of roided up supermen and see them compete?", and went and got the ball rolling on this project.
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Not really. Most of the time people can't really quit for them and either fake it which is super easy or they just drop out of the concept of employment entirely and you go from having a potentially treatable functional addict to replacing that with a bum overdosing on the sidewalk. It's hard to overstate the hold drugs have on peoples' lives and how most efforts to force people to quit, because of that hold, actually make the problem worse, because they don't have the mental faculties anymore to choose not to just say "fuck it, im fine with that if I have my drugs" regarding whatever is being taken away from them (in this case employment).
There has to be a huge multi-prong effort through policy to tackle the root causes for the drug epidemic and in the process eliminate the economic viability/opening for China and the Cartels' crime and poisons, which comes from a regulated domestic market and strong treatment, where someone caught using hard drugs in public should be put in rehab but that rehab time needs to be job protected and there needs to be some kind of transitional housing and jobs program waiting for them on the way out.
We know as a fact that (and if wanted I can cite for all of these, just lmk):
-Drug testing doesn't reduce rates of drug use and tends to lead addicts into worse addiction
-Prison time doesn't work as they just get out with all the reasons they used in the first place still there (even worse trying to find work/apartment now after incarceration)
-Safe injection sites technically improve statistics but turn neighbourhoods to shit in other ways anyway and are untenable
We know that these kinds of measures generally don't do much of anything and the war on drugs never has succeeded once in any of its goals besides maximizing incarceration rates, however what we also know is that:
-The free market works and cartels, Chinese fentanyl prove it just as the mob did in the 20s - prohibiting things like alcohol (the hardest drug pretty much before the introduction of fentanyl, bath salts etc btw, it's more disturbing visually to see someone passed out from opioids but passed out/vomiting/violent drunks and alcoholic deadbeats have been a problem since the dawn of time in very much the same way) or other drugs from legal enterprises simply makes room for organized crime and that when you regulate and legalize them instead organized crime suffers.
-People with some kind of hope in life for a future and some kind of employment are radically less likely to turn to drugs and way more likely to succeed in quitting
-Suboxone, methadone treatment works even though it's frowned upon in AA style sobriety circles and propagandized as "giving out free drugs!"
So the answer seems clear, even if most people are unwilling to accept it unfortunately due to years of propaganda.