🗣️ | US-Israel/Iran | Rapid Escalation of Targets & Rhetoric | ANALYSIS OF REPORTS

[RiffRaff]

They always have the option to raise the white flag. I'm sure the US would be more than happy to rebuild anything we broke. IMO
Would iran destroy US infrastructure if they could?

Absolutely, and don't assume they can't. They have a decent cyber warfare system in place.

 

[Publius]

Destroying a country's civilian infrastructure is a war crime and a crime against humanity; I understand why Rubio wants to dismantle the ICC. If the US does it, the whole world will want to tear your head off.

Aside from just blurting it out can you provide historical context and examples from any nation, conflict or time period where destroying civilian infrastructure is a war crime. Let alone a crime against humanity.

 

[Winnitude]

Aside from just blurting it out can you provide historical context and examples from any nation, conflict or time period where destroying civilian infrastructure is a war crime. Let alone a crime against humanity.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/ru/customary-ihl/v2/rule54

The Geneva convention. It's been a war crime since war crimes have existed. They are not just "blurting it out".

Stanislav Galić is an example where this rule was brought in to his tribunal

It also counts as war by starvation if the infrastructure is required for food which is indeed a crime against humanity. Netanyahu's warrant is for this, Milorad Krnojelac was tried for this as well.

Now, If you're looking for a good example of international law being effectively applied against a nation like the USA for war crimes you'd be hard pressed, but that doesn't mean that war crimes don't exist, just that they're poorly enforced due to the obvious reasons. You really have to lose a war and be put in the position to have other nations enforce these rules after the fact, otherwise the perpetrators just have to not set foot in any nation which intends to enforce these laws.

But, if we go by the idea that because nobody has the power to enforce against the USA right now that they dont exist, then child soldiers, chemical weapons, indiscriminately killing civilians, etc aren't war crimes either, in fact by that reasoning nothing is a crime ever because someone is powerful enough to get away with it, which would be nonsense; it means there are no consequences for them, but those around them would be right to morally condemn them and point out that they are criminals who are unfortunately above the law for x or y reason

 

[GBS61]

À part tout simplement lâcher, pouvez-vous fournir un contexte historique et des exemples de n’importe quelle nation, conflit ou époque où la destruction d’infrastructures civiles est un crime de guerre ? Sans parler d’un crime contre l’humanité.

The list is extremely long.

Famous historical examples:
The Nanking Massacre (1937): Mass atrocities and looting committed by the Japanese army in China.
The Katyn Massacre (1940):

Execution of thousands of Polish officers by the Soviet secret service.
The Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre (1944):

Destruction of a French village and massacre of its 643 inhabitants by a Waffen-SS unit.

Committed by the USA:
Throughout their history, the armed forces and intelligence services of the United States have been accused or found guilty of several serious violations of the laws of war.

The Vietnam War

The My Lai Massacre (1968):
U.S. Army soldiers massacred between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians, primarily women, children, and the elderly, in the village of My Lai. Only one officer, Lieutenant William Calley, was convicted by the U.S. military justice system.

The Massive Use of Agent Orange: The deliberate spraying of millions of liters of this toxic defoliant destroyed ecosystems and poisoned the Vietnamese civilian population, causing cancer and severe birth defects across generations.

The Vietnam War

The My Lai Massacre (1968): U.S. Army soldiers massacred between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians, primarily women, children, and the elderly, in the village of My Lai. Only one officer, Lieutenant William Calley, was convicted by a U.S. military court.

The Korean War

The No Gun Ri Massacre (1950): At the beginning of the conflict, American soldiers from the 7th Cavalry Regiment opened fire on Korean civilian refugees under a railway bridge, killing between 250 and 300 people. The existence of this massacre was officially acknowledged by the U.S. government in 2001.

World War II: The Biscari Massacre (1943): During the invasion of Sicily, soldiers of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division summarily executed 74 Italian prisoners of war and two German prisoners after their surrender. The debate over the atomic bombings (1945): Although they were never prosecuted, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused the instant death of more than 100,000 civilians, are considered by many historians and legal experts to be war crimes due to their disproportionate and indiscriminate nature.

 

[william]

The list is extremely long.

Famous historical examples:
The Nanking Massacre (1937): Mass atrocities and looting committed by the Japanese army in China.
The Katyn Massacre (1940):

Execution of thousands of Polish officers by the Soviet secret service.
The Oradour-sur-Glane Massacre (1944):

Destruction of a French village and massacre of its 643 inhabitants by a Waffen-SS unit.

Committed by the USA:
Throughout their history, the armed forces and intelligence services of the United States have been accused or found guilty of several serious violations of the laws of war.

The Vietnam War

The My Lai Massacre (1968):
U.S. Army soldiers massacred between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians, primarily women, children, and the elderly, in the village of My Lai. Only one officer, Lieutenant William Calley, was convicted by the U.S. military justice system.

The Massive Use of Agent Orange: The deliberate spraying of millions of liters of this toxic defoliant destroyed ecosystems and poisoned the Vietnamese civilian population, causing cancer and severe birth defects across generations.

The Vietnam War

The My Lai Massacre (1968): U.S. Army soldiers massacred between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians, primarily women, children, and the elderly, in the village of My Lai. Only one officer, Lieutenant William Calley, was convicted by a U.S. military court.

The Korean War

The No Gun Ri Massacre (1950): At the beginning of the conflict, American soldiers from the 7th Cavalry Regiment opened fire on Korean civilian refugees under a railway bridge, killing between 250 and 300 people. The existence of this massacre was officially acknowledged by the U.S. government in 2001.

World War II: The Biscari Massacre (1943): During the invasion of Sicily, soldiers of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division summarily executed 74 Italian prisoners of war and two German prisoners after their surrender. The debate over the atomic bombings (1945): Although they were never prosecuted, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused the instant death of more than 100,000 civilians, are considered by many historians and legal experts to be war crimes due to their disproportionate and indiscriminate nature.

Got it! War is bad! Especially for civilians.

 

[william]

TRUMP: "111 missiles shot a few weeks ago were launched by our lovely friends from Iran, they were aimed at the Abraham Lincoln. Out of the 111 missiles shot, 111 were knocked into the sea."

I'm afraid one of these days they are going to get lucky. Will this administration pull out like Reagan did in Beirut or escalate to all-out war?

By the way, the reason I keep talking about a ground offensive is because to the best of my knowledge no war has ever been won by just air power alone. If it happens here, it will be the first time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2077704922183926015

 

[GBS61]

o, nations has already won a war without sending ground troops, but this remains an exceptional historical event and a subject of debate among historians. The purest example in modern military history is the Kosovo War (1999). During this operation, dubbed Allied Force, the NATO coalition forced Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević to capitulate and withdraw his forces solely through a 78-day intensive air campaign, without any Allied soldiers seeing combat on the ground.

This is also a rare occasion for NATO to have been on the offensive rather than the defensive.

But this is extremely rare.

By the way, the reason I keep talking about a ground offensive is because to the best of my knowledge no war has ever been won by just air power alone. If it happens here, it will be the first time.