Chinese State Media Calls For Nuclear War Preparation After Biden Announces Probe Into COVID Origins

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rudemarine

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Is that the two-shot one?
Boys and men are dying of heart attacks within one to two days after getting the second shot. Do not get it!!!! A 11 and 13 year old are now dead thanks to it and ignorant parents who would vaccinate themselves and their kids if the government told them to for a dam cold.
It's not some conspiracy. They are now telling 18-30 year old men not to take it because it can cause Myocarditis!
Once healthy athletes and now paralyzed for up to a year, after being lucky enough to make it to the hospital in time and not die.
The one 18 year old who now has fluid around his heart is angry, he said he would rather have Covid any day. Went from a track star to being told by his doctor that he might not compete again.

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OneConcernedDude

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Boys and men are dying of heart attacks within one to two days after getting the second shot. Do not get it!!!! A 11 and 13 year old are now dead thanks to it and ignorant parents who would vaccinate themselves and their kids if the government told them to for a dam cold.
It's not some conspiracy. They are now telling 18-30 year old men not to take it because it can cause Myocarditis!
Once healthy athletes and now paralyzed for up to a year, after being lucky enough to make it to the hospital in time and not die.
The one 18 year old who now has fluid around his heart is angry, he said he would rather have Covid any day. Went from a track star to being told by his doctor that he might not compete again.
Citation needed
 

ZedBoy

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I haven't heard of much of what you said, though the only one-shot vaccine is J&J, There has no been any hard and defined proof the vaccine causes anything major. It's your right to get it or not at no cost to you or your insurance besides a simple $2.19 (I believe) charge for needles and supplies used. The perpetuation of propaganda from people who aren't going to take it themselves at all is kind of useless, it's a humans right to choose if they want to do it or not, not a gov, nor an outside person.
 

RiffRaff

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Boys and men are dying of heart attacks within one to two days after getting the second shot. Do not get it!!!! A 11 and 13 year old are now dead thanks to it and ignorant parents who would vaccinate themselves and their kids if the government told them to for a dam cold.
It's not some conspiracy. They are now telling 18-30 year old men not to take it because it can cause Myocarditis!
Once healthy athletes and now paralyzed for up to a year, after being lucky enough to make it to the hospital in time and not die.
The one 18 year old who now has fluid around his heart is angry, he said he would rather have Covid any day. Went from a track star to being told by his doctor that he might not compete again.
Post a reliable source for this or I'm deleting it for conspiracy theory.
 

Obreid

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The number of cases of myocardial infection are small. It’s still raises the question why are vaccines being given or encouraged on a age group that is virtually untouched by significant covid health issues.
Should at-risk groups seriously consider the vac? Yeah probably.

The mRNA vaccine technology being used is COMPLETELY new. The long term effects on the body cannot be known. While a world wide campaign has been made to encourage a vast portion of the worlds population to take the shot irregardless of the statistical health risk to the demographic group?
I’m sorry I just don’t see the medical or public health policy logic to this.

Absolutely there are groups who rail against vaccines in general based on tenuous scientific concerns.

But the very same argument can be made against the public policy and media establishment to encourage one of the largest medical intervention programs in the worlds history.
The governmental, media and social media effort to encourage or shame people to get vaccinated has been immense.
This has been no more responsible than those who’ve railed against vac all along.
Yet who has all the financial and research resources plus public policy authority to drive vaccine programs.
Yet we rail against anti-vacc like their pariahs.
Which of these two groups also have nepotistic financial relationships with the companies the produce the vaccines.
sadly you have to rely on an old adage, follow the money. Who’s profiting here?

Yes I’m very cynical here but government officials, public health officials and corporations have a poor track record in my opinion and no more deserve carte-blanch trust than any obscure web news source.
 

Obreid

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Post a reliable source for this or I'm deleting it for conspiracy theory.


 

RiffRaff

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From the first article:
So far, the data isn't yet strong enough to prove that the vaccine caused these cases — experts say there are a number of factors that make it difficult to definitively tie the vaccine to heart inflammation, a link that's also being investigated in the United States.

And even if there is a link, it's important to note that the vast majority of myocarditis cases seen after vaccination have so far been mild and responded well to anti-inflammatory medications, such as steroids, said Dr. Alejandro Jordan-Villegas, a pediatric infectious disease expert at Orlando Health Arnold Palmer Hospital for Children, who was not involved with the report. At this point, "the benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk," Jordan-Villegas told Live Science.


From the second article:
None were critically ill. All were healthy enough to be sent home after two to six days in the hospital and are doing ‘’doing pretty well,’’ said Dr. Preeti Jaggi, an Emory University infectious disease specialist who co-authored the report.

She said more follow-up is needed to determine how the seven fare but that it’s likely the heart changes were temporary.


From the third article:
The condition often goes away without complications and can be caused by a variety of viruses, the CDC group said.

Sorry, the jury is still out on this side-effect, and even if there is a causal relationship, it is nowhere near as severe as rudemarine's post made it out to be.
 
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OneConcernedDude

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I haven't heard of much of what you said, though the only one-shot vaccine is J&J, There has no been any hard and defined proof the vaccine causes anything major. It's your right to get it or not at no cost to you or your insurance besides a simple $2.19 (I believe) charge for needles and supplies used. The perpetuation of propaganda from people who aren't going to take it themselves at all is kind of useless, it's a humans right to choose if they want to do it or not, not a gov, nor an outside person.

i agree with this train of thought to a certain extent. The problem with disease control is that unless a certain share of the population is vaccinated, the virus will continue roaming around and mutating, so it's only a matter of time before more waves and vaccine resistant variants.
 

Obreid

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From the first article:
So far, the data isn't yet strong enough to prove that the vaccine caused these cases — experts say there are a number of factors that make it difficult to definitively tie the vaccine to heart inflammation, a link that's also being investigated in the United States.

And even if there is a link, it's important to note that the vast majority of myocarditis cases seen after vaccination have so far been mild and responded well to anti-inflammatory medications, such as steroids, said Dr. Alejandro Jordan-Villegas, a pediatric infectious disease expert at Orlando Health Arnold Palmer Hospital for Children, who was not involved with the report. At this point, "the benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk," Jordan-Villegas told Live Science.


From the second article:
None were critically ill. All were healthy enough to be sent home after two to six days in the hospital and are doing ‘’doing pretty well,’’ said Dr. Preeti Jaggi, an Emory University infectious disease specialist who co-authored the report.

She said more follow-up is needed to determine how the seven fare but that it’s likely the heart changes were temporary.


From the third article:
The condition often goes away without complications and can be caused by a variety of viruses, the CDC group said.

Sorry, the jury is still out on this side-effect, and even if there is a causal relationship, it is nowhere near as severe as rudemarine's post made it out to be.
I understand and agree in part.
Its also a brand new medical treatment being encouraged, by public officials who have a public trust, on age groups that have a minuscule risk to covid. So the jury is out on the wisdom of doing that as well.
 

RiffRaff

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I understand and agree in part.
Its also a brand new medical treatment being encouraged, by public officials who have a public trust, on age groups that have a minuscule risk to covid. So the jury is out on the wisdom of doing that as well.
No disagreement here. My whole message to RM was the Covid/Vaccine clusterf*ck is bad enough as it is without exaggerating things.
 

ZedBoy

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This pharmacist I know (says they are all genetic), novavax is the only one that won't be, it'll be deactivated.
 
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