Dangers you can be unaware of during the worst.

kilo365

Active member
If..... an attack occurs by any nuclear or EMP event.
DWS has great reading material in regard to basic preparations of fallout.
However sad war is war and its sole purpose is killing.
With that being said a nuke can be detonated several hundred miles away but the EMP can radiate upto 500+ miles to unk.
If either event occurs pretty much every commercial aircraft may end up dropping from the skies, unguided, unpowered. Within the effected area of course.
I hope this becomes a forethought to preparedness plans you have set forth.
Kippy I hope you stay safe if this scenario.
 

DEFCON Warning System

Director
Staff member
I don't fly anyway, so that isn't a problem for me...unless a plane falls out of the sky and hits me.

That is good advice though. May want to think twice about air travel during a worsening crisis if air travel hasn't already been restricted.
 

Bodicea

Active member
You should be aware whether or not you live in a flight path! An EMP could possibly be a first hit.
Just hope none of it ever happens!
 
The simple truth, is that most if not all of the CONUS is overflown by some sort of aircraft daily, if not hourly, even minutes in busier locations. In fact, when I used to live in Calhan, CO, that town and vicinity was a primary flight path towards Colorado Springs, with aircraft usually flying at 7,000ft plus at that location. Most flights were headed to Chicago and all points northeast of KCOS.
 
Disease during and after a major SHTF is a HUGE concern. Without access to clean water, sanitation practices, or proper medical attention, people die in a hurry. Learn how to purify water now, before you have to depend upon it, get it 100% right, and take comfort in knowing that the most essential need: water, is met.
 

kilo365

Active member
Those are all excellent points. Keep them coming.

As far as wildlife goes, I am pretty sure there will be added risks of domestic critters added to that list. Horses, pitt bulls, cats etc in a horrific panic.

Humans will be thee scariest animal of them all.

In an "Event" possibly unmanned cars err.. cars out of control for a limited time.
 

Beяnie

Active member
bpmprocolo said:
Disease during and after a major SHTF is a HUGE concern. Without access to clean water, sanitation practices, or proper medical attention, people die in a hurry. Learn how to purify water now, before you have to depend upon it, get it 100% right, and take comfort in knowing that the most essential need: water, is met.
^^^^
This is one of the most under-estimated aspects of a disaster situation. Diseases will run rampant and unless you are able to protect yourself from them, you may just well fall victim to them.
 

TruthandJustice

Well-known member
bpmprocolo said:
Disease during and after a major SHTF is a HUGE concern. Without access to clean water, sanitation practices, or proper medical attention, people die in a hurry. Learn how to purify water now, before you have to depend upon it, get it 100% right, and take comfort in knowing that the most essential need: water, is met.

I have enough water to last me months. Sadly, since I don't have any weapons, somebody will take my water lol.
 

TruthandJustice

Well-known member
Beяnie said:
bpmprocolo said:
Disease during and after a major SHTF is a HUGE concern. Without access to clean water, sanitation practices, or proper medical attention, people die in a hurry. Learn how to purify water now, before you have to depend upon it, get it 100% right, and take comfort in knowing that the most essential need: water, is met.
^^^^
This is one of the most under-estimated aspects of a disaster situation. Diseases will run rampant and unless you are able to protect yourself from them, you may just well fall victim to them.

Keep up with your vaccinations. Stock plenty of Vitamin C supplements.
 

krzepice1976

DEFCON Staff
Staff member
kilo365 said:
If..... an attack occurs by any nuclear or EMP event.
DWS has great reading material in regard to basic preparations of fallout.
However sad war is war and its sole purpose is killing.
With that being said a nuke can be detonated several hundred miles away but the EMP can radiate upto 500+ miles to unk.
If either event occurs pretty much every commercial aircraft may end up dropping from the skies, unguided, unpowered. Within the effected area of course.
I hope this becomes a forethought to preparedness plans you have set forth.
Kippy I hope you stay safe if this scenario.

Emp is generated by gamma radiaton.it basicoy mean that so it means that you need to have detanation abobe ground (about 1 to 2km).basicly you need to assume that emp will has limitation likę radar....
 

RiffRaff

Deputy Director
Staff member
krzepice1976 said:
kilo365 said:
If..... an attack occurs by any nuclear or EMP event.
DWS has great reading material in regard to basic preparations of fallout.
However sad war is war and its sole purpose is killing.
With that being said a nuke can be detonated several hundred miles away but the EMP can radiate upto 500+ miles to unk.
If either event occurs pretty much every commercial aircraft may end up dropping from the skies, unguided, unpowered. Within the effected area of course.
I hope this becomes a forethought to preparedness plans you have set forth.
Kippy I hope you stay safe if this scenario.

Emp is generated by gamma radiaton.it basicoy mean that so it means that you need to have detanation abobe ground (about 1 to 2km).basicly you need to assume that emp will has limitation likę radar....

Yes, EMP is limited to a certain extent by line-of-site, so to have maximum effect over the entire United States an EMP weapon would have to be detonated approximately 250 miles roughly over Nebraska. But since the pulse can travel through power lines, damage can occur at even greater distances. There is some fantastic information about EMP here: http://www.futurescience.com/emp/EMP-myths.html
 

krzepice1976

DEFCON Staff
Staff member
RiffRaff said:
krzepice1976 said:
kilo365 said:
If..... an attack occurs by any nuclear or EMP event.
DWS has great reading material in regard to basic preparations of fallout.
However sad war is war and its sole purpose is killing.
With that being said a nuke can be detonated several hundred miles away but the EMP can radiate upto 500+ miles to unk.
If either event occurs pretty much every commercial aircraft may end up dropping from the skies, unguided, unpowered. Within the effected area of course.
I hope this becomes a forethought to preparedness plans you have set forth.
Kippy I hope you stay safe if this scenario.

Emp is generated by gamma radiaton.it basicoy mean that so it means that you need to have detanation abobe ground (about 1 to 2km).basicly you need to assume that emp will has limitation likę radar....

Yes, EMP is limited to a certain extent by line-of-site, so to have maximum effect over the entire United States an EMP weapon would have to be detonated approximately 250 miles roughly over Nebraska. But since the pulse can travel through power lines, damage can occur at even greater distances. There is some fantastic information about EMP here: http://www.futurescience.com/emp/EMP-myths.html
Power lines. There is a Dębica called sure arrestor.typical each electricians substation has plenty such decides. From electricians point of it is a Basic over voltage.
 

Zer0

Active member
Also some other things to consider. Have antibacterial soap, wet wipes, toilet paper on hand. Plenty of it!! Buy fish antibiotics and learn what antibiotics treat what and proper dosages to administer. There are you tube videos that discuss this to some length. Also plenty of bleach and garbage bags for waste and sanitation. Also stock up on ammo and bartering items. Remember, medicine will be like gold! Do not let anyone know you have antibiotics you will be killed off quickly! There is a video on you tube that tells the story of a man and his family surviving in Serbia during the war. It is very telling and in depth what lengths people will do to survive and preserve their own families.
 

Doc

Well-known member
Zer0 said:
Also some other things to consider. Have antibacterial soap, wet wipes, toilet paper on hand. Plenty of it!! Buy fish antibiotics and learn what antibiotics treat what and proper dosages to administer. There are you tube videos that discuss this to some length. Also plenty of bleach and garbage bags for waste and sanitation. Also stock up on ammo and bartering items. Remember, medicine will be like gold! Do not let anyone know you have antibiotics you will be killed off quickly! There is a video on you tube that tells the story of a man and his family surviving in Serbia during the war. It is very telling and in depth what lengths people will do to survive and preserve their own families.

Here is a chart that might be useful when choosing an antibiotic.

http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/4492443_orig.jpg

(Most antibiotics have two names. Generic names (the name of the compound) and sale-name. Equal to "a cola" and Coca cola. The table is generic.)

It is styled by type of bacteria, rather than disease, so a quick clarification might be needed. Im including the major players who by name is not self explanatory.

Staphylococcus (Aureus): skin bacteria that sometimes cause problems. Will produce skin infections of non-inflitration types. Will form abcesses (must be drained as antibiotics do not penetrate them. If noting else, puncture them).

Streptococcus: throat infections and skin infections that are infiltrating. Erysipelas.

Enterococcus: Usually urinary tract infections. Can spread to blood and brain. Present in the human gut, and infections might get rampant in a breakdown of brownwater systems.

Streptococcus pneumoniae: You can guess, cant you?

Listeria
: usually not a problem, but as you might be immunocomprimized as you are applying this chart, it is good to know that Listeria dwells in contaminated food and can cause problems all thorugh your corpus.

Haemophilus influenzae: airways and meningitis, in kids more than in adults.


E. Coli
will be everywhere after sanitary systems are out of service. E coli UVIs in women are not uncommon. High virulent e.coli strains will cause serious "food poisoning" and even sepsis. Toxins can cause kidney damage. If your "flaming out of both ends", it might be e.coli.

Mycoplasma "Atypical" (lov virulent) pneumonia.

Vibrio cholerae. Not in list. Use tetracycline or doxycycline, but rehydration is what save lives here.

If its less than 5 years since your last tetanus shot, you would need one.

Now, if we want to make this into a tutorial, what we now need to know are dosages and which antibiotics can be combined and which can not.

If we want to boil it down to the simplest possible:

Penicilline: Still good against alot of infections. Cheap and simple. Try it out. Patient should improve in hrs.
Vancomycin: strep and staph when penicillin fails
Cefotaxime: borad spectrum and will be effective against most airway and urinary infections.
Tetracycline: broad spectrum against everything else. (Do not combine with penicilline, vancomycin or cefotaxime).
 

Zer0

Active member
Doc said:
Zer0 said:
Also some other things to consider. Have antibacterial soap, wet wipes, toilet paper on hand. Plenty of it!! Buy fish antibiotics and learn what antibiotics treat what and proper dosages to administer. There are you tube videos that discuss this to some length. Also plenty of bleach and garbage bags for waste and sanitation. Also stock up on ammo and bartering items. Remember, medicine will be like gold! Do not let anyone know you have antibiotics you will be killed off quickly! There is a video on you tube that tells the story of a man and his family surviving in Serbia during the war. It is very telling and in depth what lengths people will do to survive and preserve their own families.

Here is a chart that might be useful when choosing an antibiotic.

http://www.microbiologynutsandbolts.co.uk/uploads/7/8/9/4/7894682/4492443_orig.jpg

(Most antibiotics have two names. Generic names (the name of the compound) and sale-name. Equal to "a cola" and Coca cola. The table is generic.)

It is styled by type of bacteria, rather than disease, so a quick clarification might be needed. Im including the major players who by name is not self explanatory.

Staphylococcus (Aureus): skin bacteria that sometimes cause problems. Will produce skin infections of non-inflitration types. Will form abcesses (must be drained as antibiotics do not penetrate them. If noting else, puncture them).

Streptococcus: throat infections and skin infections that are infiltrating. Erysipelas.

Enterococcus: Usually urinary tract infections. Can spread to blood and brain. Present in the human gut, and infections might get rampant in a breakdown of brownwater systems.

Streptococcus pneumoniae: You can guess, cant you?

Listeria
: usually not a problem, but as you might be immunocomprimized as you are applying this chart, it is good to know that Listeria dwells in contaminated food and can cause problems all thorugh your corpus.

Haemophilus influenzae: airways and meningitis, in kids more than in adults.


E. Coli
will be everywhere after sanitary systems are out of service. E coli UVIs in women are not uncommon. High virulent e.coli strains will cause serious "food poisoning" and even sepsis. Toxins can cause kidney damage. If your "flaming out of both ends", it might be e.coli.

Mycoplasma "Atypical" (lov virulent) pneumonia.

Vibrio cholerae. Not in list. Use tetracycline or doxycycline, but rehydration is what save lives here.

If its less than 5 years since your last tetanus shot, you would need one.

Now, if we want to make this into a tutorial, what we now need to know are dosages and which antibiotics can be combined and which can not.

If we want to boil it down to the simplest possible:

Penicilline: Still good against alot of infections. Cheap and simple. Try it out. Patient should improve in hrs.
Vancomycin: strep and staph when penicillin fails
Cefotaxime: borad spectrum and will be effective against most airway and urinary infections.
Tetracycline: broad spectrum against everything else. (Do not combine with penicilline, vancomycin or cefotaxime).

Excellent advice, also cholera is a big one that took out many thousands of Russian troops in Afghanistan. Sanitation is of extreme importance. Disease will be rampant due to the dead and lack of clean water. I would suggest several boxes of surgical gloves and masks to help minimize the disease causing microbes from infiltrating your mucous membranes or through your skin via cut or scrape.
 
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