**Domestic Politics** in Military & Geopolitical Subsections

[Winnitude]

Can someone please separate the political discussions that don't mention the thread title subject please. And those wrapped up in political issues refrain from continuously talking general political issues in threads that are designed for other discussion points. This issue is rife in many threads nowadays not solely related to the title topics.

Agreed - to quote my reply : To preface my reply: this now at this point has very little to do with Ukraine lol. If mods want to move this to politics I would totally see why. I am only responding to the point made.

 

[RiffRaff]

To preface my reply: this now at this point has very little to do with Ukraine lol. If mods want to move this to politics I would totally see why. I am only responding to the point made.

Please respond to it by creating a new discussion thread in Politics, and then linking to it in this thread.

 

[NuclearID]

Unfortunately you cannot remove politics from somthing like this as it is politics that is driving it. Try as you might, but politics is 110% involved in Russias unprovoked, illegal, genocidal, full scale invasion of Ukraine.

It's politics that gets aid to Ukraine, it is politics that determines any peace deal, politics determines this whole fucking situation. In fact war is just another means/form of politics or at least when diplomacy/politics fails.

Just because it is uncomfortable for some doesn't mean you should remove it. But do as you wish. War has ALWAYS involved politics, saying otherwise is just down right not true.

 

[Winnitude]

I think it's fair to say, politics in general is kosher but when the subject starts to get more granularly about the domestic issues and stops directly referencing the main issue, it should be on another thread that's linked from the main one. The meta-discussion about the GOP and the DNC's voters' similarity to cults doesn't really productively discuss getting aid to them or solving that problem, nor does it provide much of any new information on the current state of the geopolitical situation and the major players involved at all, it's just a side conversation that spun out from a tangent. A valuable one that does potentially help hash out context for the current situation but can totally be its own thread.

That being said you are right that war is inherently political and I'd go a step further and say pretty much all things are inherently political whether intentional or not (ie. almost all artistic works (of substantive value) regardless of any ideological intentions left right center or none at all will ultimately imprint on the worldview of those who consume it to some degree, even fairly abstract concepts if internalized deeply enough can echo back in political sentiments), the entire concept of "don't make it political!" is usually a red herring.

Unfortunately you cannot remove politics from somthing like this as it is politics that is driving it. Try as you might, but politics is 110% involved in Russias unprovoked, illegal, genocidal, full scale invasion of Ukraine.

It's politics that gets aid to Ukraine, it is politics that determines any peace deal, politics determines this whole fucking situation. In fact war is just another means/form of politics or at least when diplomacy/politics fails.

Just because it is uncomfortable for some doesn't mean you should remove it. But do as you wish. War has ALWAYS involved politics, saying otherwise is just down right not true.

 

[NuclearID]

I think it's fair to say, politics in general is kosher but when the subject starts to get more granularly about the domestic issues and stops directly referencing the main issue, it should be on another thread that's linked from the main one. The meta-discussion about the GOP and the DNC's voters' similarity to cults doesn't really productively discuss getting aid to them or solving that problem, nor does it provide much of any new information on the current state of the geopolitical situation and the major players involved at all, it's just a side conversation that spun out from a tangent. A valuable one that does potentially help hash out context for the current situation but can totally be its own thread.

That being said you are right that war is inherently political and I'd go a step further and say pretty much all things are inherently political whether intentional or not (ie. almost all artistic works (of substantive value) regardless of any ideological intentions left right center or none at all will ultimately imprint on the worldview of those who consume it to some degree, even fairly abstract concepts if internalized deeply enough can echo back in political sentiments), the entire concept of "don't make it political!" is usually a red herring.

This I can understand. My fear is it will be a blanket policy ban on politics in Russian Invasion of Ukraine discussion thread.

Which without a doubt requires **some** political digest as it is certain domestic politics that shapes the outcome of i.e peace deal/CF, aid, and generally where the war goes from here.

Just hope it's not a blanket ban and staff understand my fears of a blanket censor ban on political digest in Russian Invasion discussion thread.

Partisan issues mostly should be left at the door. But politics encompasses much of Russias invasion of Ukraine and ALL parties involved, domestic & foreign.

 

[Socom7]

Inclined to agree, and - as noted above, and also as noted by myself years ago - you can't cleanly excise politics from such a forum without completely neutering the discourse. That said, people should probably be more mindful of the thread topic before replying (this goes for me personally as well).

 

[NuclearID]

It's like trying to remove the wildness from a wild animal. Can't happen no matter how hard you try.

I agree some petty partisan issues need their own thread. But there is still plenty political discussion to be had/held over Putins full scale, unprovoked, invasion of Ukraine from all parties domestic and foreign.

I have no say here, like to remind people of that given my overbearing presence on forums, just a humble ordinary member voicing concerns.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

It is inevitable that some politics will creep in. But when it starts to run off the rails, best to make a new thread.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It is inevitable that some politics will creep in. But when it starts to run off the rails, best to make a new thread.

I also think a lot of the issues would be solved, if people just watched what kind of language they use on here. Not talking about cursing but talking more about the use of direct claims or assertions that *You* are of the opinion of something. So much discussion has been wasted because people continue to try and claim to understand the position of the person across the table. A little bit of open-mindedness can go a long way on something as tricky as the internet. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been more ferocious on the forum in the last 3 months.

 

[NuclearID]

I also think a lot of the issues would be solved, if people just watched what kind of language they use on here. Not talking about cursing but talking more about the use of direct claims or assertions that *You* are of the opinion of something. So much discussion has been wasted because people continue to try and claim to understand the position of the person across the table. A little bit of open-mindedness can go a long way on something as tricky as the internet. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been more ferocious on the forum in the last 3 months.

I'm very guilty of that and been trying to work on it and can admit (no shame) been reaching out privately for help trying to figure out ways myself to avoid doing that in the future. Old habits die hard as they say.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It's like trying to remove the wildness from a wild animal. Can't happen no matter how hard you try.

I agree some petty partisan issues need their own thread. But there is still plenty political discussion to be had/held over Putins full scale, unprovoked, invasion of Ukraine from all parties domestic and foreign.

I have no say here, like to remind people of that given my overbearing presence on forums, just a humble ordinary member voicing concerns.

Maybe when wanting to draw the domestic political parallel when discussing geopolitical issues such as Ukraine or Israel, instead use the code of ethics you live by and the facts and laws that can support your point. Some discussions I've seen you make really good points but they get shadowed by the political talking points, which are what people are always going to respond to. Then again I know you are doing quite a bit of the reports on here so I can understand if your patience runs thin in the heat of the discussion.

 

[NuclearID]

Then again I know you are doing quite a bit of the reports on here so I can understand if your patience runs thin in the heat of the discussion.

That has partly to do with it. Busy guy. Sometimes I need to remind myself to stick what I do best and focus on my reporting. As getting sucked into discussion takes away from my reporting and takes my little freetime & energy for reporting away. Just turns me off to it.

Again I'm working on it. Well, it's either I work on it or I'll be banned. So... Lol

 

[Winnitude]

Maybe when wanting to draw the domestic political parallel when discussing geopolitical issues such as Ukraine or Israel, instead use the code of ethics you live by and the facts and laws that can support your point. Some discussions I've seen you make really good points but they get shadowed by the political talking points, which are what people are always going to respond to. Then again I know you are doing quite a bit of the reports on here so I can understand if your patience runs thin in the heat of the discussion.

When your politics emanates from your ethics, ethical stances and political stances become inextricable given the extremely real ethical implications of the political process. But canned talking points should be avoided

 

[NuclearID]

Also sulking all corners of the internet for information particularly on Twitter has really made me a soulless husk lattly in my view as all the toxic shit & uncensored gruesome gory atrocities I see everyday reporting and monitoring ALL global events essentially from when I wake up to when I go to bed throughout the day whenever I get a sliver of freetime.

 

[RiffRaff]

Unfortunately you cannot remove politics from somthing like this as it is politics that is driving it. Try as you might, but politics is 110% involved in Russias unprovoked, illegal, genocidal, full scale invasion of Ukraine.

It's politics that gets aid to Ukraine, it is politics that determines any peace deal, politics determines this whole fucking situation. In fact war is just another means/form of politics or at least when diplomacy/politics fails.

Just because it is uncomfortable for some doesn't mean you should remove it. But do as you wish. War has ALWAYS involved politics, saying otherwise is just down right not true.

There is a huge difference between discussing politics in a neutral manner as it pertains to the subject matter at hand and inserting personal political commentary into a discussion. Personal political commentary outside of the Politics forums will be removed and warnings issued. Neutral political ANALYSIS that is relevant to the thread topic will be left untouched.

 

[Winnitude]

Also sulking all corners of the internet for information particularly on Twitter has really made me a soulless husk lattly in my view as all the toxic shit & uncensored gruesome gory atrocities I see everyday reporting and monitoring ALL global events essentially from when I wake up to when I go to bed throughout the day whenever I get a sliver of freetime.

I can't imagine hanging around on Twitter helps as well given that it's such a hyper-concentrated cesspool of the worst of the worst of the alt-right and general GOP base (used to be the worst of the worst of the screaming SJWs... how times change), constant propaganda and hate etc, it gets hard to be keep it civil when you are priming yourself to view the person on the other side of the conversation in a way associated with the people you see on twitter who hold similar-ish beliefs when you're sifting through that all day.

I've recently (~4mo) effectively foregone all social media, switched to having a few forums I use (including this one) usually when I'm waiting for compiles, deleted my Reddit and subscribed to a few high-quality magazines in my industry, etc.

Started using aggregators like Ground News that show all the sources on the same issue and the differences in their reporting for realtime breaking news instead of social sources like Twitter where you have to wade through so much garbage or individual sources who're trying to get their spins in your head masquerading as your own thoughts.

Have been way way happier, more productive and IMO a better dad too.
While your role of tracking this stuff is very respectable I think it might benefit you to take a step back and take some time for yourself, ground yourself, spend some time away from tech in general, week camping or even just enjoying normal civilized society in real, couple beers and a joint, you know the deal.