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Lighthope

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I liked this article. It was written by Greg Laurie and talks about the difference between Christians and those who call themselves Christians but aren't.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/fake-christians/?cat_orig=faith
 
I think its pretty hard for almost anyone to be a true christian with todays' laws; as you can no longer stone rebellious children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21), nor can you kill people for working Sundays (exodis 35 verse 2). And also I bet people may have legal qualms about selling children into slavery. (exodis 21 verse 7)

I could go on, but I think I made my point that its virtually impossible to follow the teachings of the bible word for word in todays' society.
 
Interesting read.
 
Ketatrypt said:
I think its pretty hard for almost anyone to be a true christian with todays' laws; as you can no longer stone rebellious children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21), nor can you kill people for working Sundays (exodis 35 verse 2). And also I bet people may have legal qualms about selling children into slavery. (exodis 21 verse 7)

I could go on, but I think I made my point that its virtually impossible to follow the teachings of the bible word for word in todays' society.

You're quoting Mosaic law, which was set up for Jews who just escaped Egypt and were heading into a land which was rift with slavery, murder, child sacrifice, and a whole host of other things that would make your stomach twist in knots.

The article was talking about Christians, not Jews.
 
DEFCONWarningSystem said:
Ketatrypt said:
I think its pretty hard for almost anyone to be a true christian with todays' laws; as you can no longer stone rebellious children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21), nor can you kill people for working Sundays (exodis 35 verse 2). And also I bet people may have legal qualms about selling children into slavery. (exodis 21 verse 7)

I could go on, but I think I made my point that its virtually impossible to follow the teachings of the bible word for word in todays' society.

You're quoting Mosaic law, which was set up for Jews who just escaped Egypt and were heading into a land which was rift with slavery, murder, child sacrifice, and a whole host of other things that would make your stomach twist in knots.

The article was talking about Christians, not Jews.


Ahh srry. I was just flipping thru a bible I had, and those were some versus that I had memorized, because of how dark they are. So my bad. I should go take a course on religion studies to /really/ see how people understand the bible because I thought the words of the bible was the words of 'god' and it should be followed at all costs... I didn't realize some parts of the bible were omitted by some religions and used by others. So again, sorry. My bad...
 
Ketatrypt said:
Ahh srry. I was just flipping thru a bible I had, and those were some versus that I had memorized, because of how dark they are. So my bad. I should go take a course on religion studies to /really/ see how people understand the bible because I thought the words of the bible was the words of 'god' and it should be followed at all costs... I didn't realize some parts of the bible were omitted by some religions and used by others. So again, sorry. My bad...

I don't think "omitted" is the correct word here. Much of the Old Testament was indeed aimed for the Jews exclusively. However, within the "jot and titlle" we also find out about some of the nature of God and what he expects of everyone, not just the Jewish people. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. When he was asked what the greatest commandment was (a Jewish person was asking, so the context is he was asking which of the Ten Commandments was the most important), Jesus replied that the greatest commandment was to love God and love your neighbour. In that is the Law and the Prophets.

So you see, Christianity and Judaism are not picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to follow. Jesus is the fulfillment of what the Old Testament writers were looking forward to.
 
DEFCONWarningSystem said:
Ketatrypt said:
Ahh srry. I was just flipping thru a bible I had, and those were some versus that I had memorized, because of how dark they are. So my bad. I should go take a course on religion studies to /really/ see how people understand the bible because I thought the words of the bible was the words of 'god' and it should be followed at all costs... I didn't realize some parts of the bible were omitted by some religions and used by others. So again, sorry. My bad...

I don't think "omitted" is the correct word here. Much of the Old Testament was indeed aimed for the Jews exclusively. However, within the "jot and titlle" we also find out about some of the nature of God and what he expects of everyone, not just the Jewish people. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. When he was asked what the greatest commandment was (a Jewish person was asking, so the context is he was asking which of the Ten Commandments was the most important), Jesus replied that the greatest commandment was to love God and love your neighbour. In that is the Law and the Prophets.

So you see, Christianity and Judaism are not picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to follow. Jesus is the fulfillment of what the Old Testament writers were looking forward to.

Until I get a non-biased education on religious philosophy I just don't really know what to think. And until such time, all I can do is make ends meet with what I see. As a scientist, I can only judge what I know, and understand. And as I read the bible, I can only understand what I read, as people of most faiths point back to.

Now as I said, I, (personally) really need a non-biased educuation on how to understand 'the' bible [which bible? Apperently there is more then bible, most of which conflict]...any education would cost tens of thousands of USD... But if people need so much education from a non-biased source to understand the teachings, how are 'normal' religious people suppose to understand the teachings of 'the' bible? How is anyone expected to pick up 'the' bible and realize the chritian way the /real/ way? Each bible has its own teachings. And also, why are there teachings of the 'second coming' on a board about defcon 1? Wouldn't these teachings be much more appreciated on a board about the second coming? I am not trying to revoke the first amendment or anything, but questioning the matter does no harm. (actually strengths first amendment through questioning and reason) However even the second paragraph of Encyclopedia Britannica states that "There are diverse interpretations of Christianity which sometimes conflict" so I have no idea what to believe. Thus I must find a non-biased source of information, which, in itself is hard to find, without shelling out tens of thousands of dollars. (going to church is not an unbiased education)

I can't disprove any of gods work. However I can question it, and if that makes me wrong, then, dammit, burn me at the stake like a witch. (I always wondered why an all powerful being would torture people out of spite.. As he did design those people to be that way... Right?)
 
Ketatrypt said:
Until I get a non-biased education on religious philosophy I just don't really know what to think.

Education is not confined to an educational institute.
As a scientist, I can only judge what I know, and understand.

Technically, as a scientist, you can only judge what you observe and can test. You may be setting a standard that doesn't apply. For example, do you need to go to school to be able to understand Abraham Lincoln? Certainly you may be able to get a deeper understanding or perhaps learn some things you didn't/couldn't know through non-educational instruction, but it isn't required.
And as I read the bible, I can only understand what I read, as people of most faiths point back to.

Completely understandable. But, like any history book or scientific paper, we can't take only a part of something and then base our understanding around that. I bring that up only as an example of how this thread started. You had mentioned some Old Testament regulations. Your understanding was in error because you hadn't read the whole thing. That's not a slight, please don't take it as one. I am constantly making errors about radiological stuff and Ryan happily points out where I am wrong. Because I am not as well read as he is on that subject.\
[which bible? Apperently there is more then bible, most of which conflict]

This is actually not true. Except for some "bibles" which are generally dismissed by those who know and are educated in translations, bible translations agree with each other.
But if people need so much education from a non-biased source to understand the teachings, how are 'normal' religious people suppose to understand the teachings of 'the' bible?

They don't. Though throughout history, many people claim that it is needed. The Catholic Church was big about that. Much like how the Constitution in the United States is now. The Obamas and the Pelosis want you to think that only Harvard educated people can "really" understand the Constitution, but anyone who has actually read it knows that it is a fairly simple document to read.
And also, why are there teachings of the 'second coming' on a board about defcon 1?

Hence the "Anything Goes" forum.
However even the second paragraph of Encyclopedia Britannica states that "There are diverse interpretations of Christianity which sometimes conflict"

And Encyclopedia Britannica has its own bias.
so I have no idea what to believe. Thus I must find a non-biased source of information, which, in itself is hard to find, without shelling out tens of thousands of dollars. (going to church is not an unbiased education)

Good luck on that. Consider this: We know very little about how black holes work. Does this mean we know nothing about them? Certainly not. We know some things. Other properties about black holes we still study and hypothesize and question. This is kind of the same thing with God. We know some things. Other things we have diverse opinions. Just because we have diverse opinions on some matters does not invalidate the things we know for certain.
I can't disprove any of gods work. However I can question it, and if that makes me wrong, then, dammit, burn me at the stake like a witch.

There's nothing wrong with wondering how things work. Heck, Einstein made a career out of it.
(I always wondered why an all powerful being would torture people out of spite.. As he did design those people to be that way... Right?)

I'll end my post by referring back to the beginning of it. This here is quite a common misconception of God. Evil God, burn forever because he gets some sort of jolly out of it. (/end facetiousness)

A more complete (notice I didn't say "educated") reading would show this isn't God's plan at all.
 
Lighthope said:
I liked this article. It was written by Greg Laurie and talks about the difference between Christians and those who call themselves Christians but aren't.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/fake-christians/?cat_orig=faith

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
Ketatrypt said:
I can't disprove any of gods work. However I can question it, and if that makes me wrong, then, dammit, burn me at the stake like a witch. (I always wondered why an all powerful being would torture people out of spite.. As he did design those people to be that way... Right?)


I understand. I once was angry at God. The good news is you've already made an imperical observation. You cannot question the motives of a Being that you truly don't believe exists. That means you have already established an hypothesis, hence you 'question' the motives of God. That's a perfect starting point if you truly seek to understand. Otherwise, you would be mocking and feigning. And I choose to take you at your word.

To answer the question, 2 Peter 3:9 says:

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As a matter of fact, Jesus would prefer you to be angry, rather than showing no emotion at all. That's the problem He had with the church in Laodiceans in the Book of Revelation:

Rev 4:15-16

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.<i></i>

And He was speaking to believers. So you're right where you need to be. If you're sincere, pick up a Bible and just start reading. You don't need anything else. If not, then you can hold onto your anger, it's your choice. But I would hope you would try reading it one time, that would be a scientific approach (gathering the facts). Then you can know the answers to many of the questions you ask for the price of your time.
 
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