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Germany Plans to Turn Public Buildings Into Bomb Shelters Over Fears of War With Russia
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"...this was a routine update."
How the UK and countries across Europe are preparing for threat of nuclear war
The Government quietly updated ‘What to do in a radiation emergency’, while Moscow is building nuclear bunkersinews.co.uk
The UK
The UK Government quietly updated its guidance on “What to do in a radiation emergency” after Putin hinted at nuclear doctrine change in September.
Russian officials first raised the prospect of changes to the nuclear doctrine on 1 September. The UK Government updated its guidance on “What to do in a radiation emergency“, and a separate advice that outlined how individuals could remove radioactive material from your skin and clothes on 10 September, the official government website shows.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) told i this was a routine update, adding that there are a “range of scenarios” where a radiation emergency may result. These include radiation emergencies may result from misuse of radioactive sources during industrial, medical or research applications, and also natural disasters, military conflicts, or malicious acts involving radiation sources.
The guidelines state that in the event of a radiation emergency, people may be exposed to breathing in radioactive materials, while it recommended that people should stay indoors, close windows, and take iodine tablets if advised.
“If there is a release of radiation, sheltering in a building made of robust and dense materials, such as those used for permanent buildings, will provide adequate protection from most radiation exposure,” the guidance says.
“It may be necessary to temporarily move people out of an affected area to carry out certain recovery actions. To protect water treatment plants, it may be necessary to stop the extraction of water from rivers, lakes or wells in the affected area.”
Meanwhile at the G20 in Brazil this week, Sir Keir Starmer warned the UK will not bow to Russia’s threats of nuclear war over Ukraine.
“This is irresponsible rhetoric coming from Russia and that is not going to deter our support for Ukraine,” he said. “We have stood with Ukraine from the start. I’ve been doubling down in my clear message that we need to ensure Ukraine has what is needed for as long as needed to win this war against Putin.”
According to previous government guidance on the UK’s nuclear deterrent, “Russia is significantly increasing the variety of nuclear capable weapons that it possesses.
“This is in contrast to the work that the Nato nuclear weapons states have undergone to reduce and maintain relatively modest arsenals since the Cold War ended.”
The UK possess the smallest stockpile of nuclear warheads of the five nuclear weapon states and is the only one to have reduced to a single delivery system.
The deterrence guidance adds: “The risk of nuclear conflict remains remote, but the threats the UK faces are increasing in scale, diversity and complexity.”
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Well...maybe I have exagerated, but still better than the European one.
Unless your the president or other high figures there are no public bomb shelters in America. There not non existent. We just straight up don't have them anymore peiord anywhere for the general public.
Unless your counting storm shelters in public town squares and cities across America's Tornado ally as bomb shelters. Suppose they could be used as one but that's not their intended purpose hence their name *storm* shelters.
My parish court house has one. It’s mostly empty and what is in there is hurricane supplies and so 1960’s gear including dosemeters and Geiger counters, or so the crates markings say.
So everyone is a little right and @DarkNoon is more righter (although he is really lefties)
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AT&T has been testing emergency wireless notifications since last week. I've had 7 or 8 different honk tests across 5 different days. Hoping there's no connection.
I noticed a odd EAS here in Florida on radio. Normally it's just the beep tone and then it ends no one talks.
This time the tone came on and they where giving instructions that this was a statewide test and if this had been a emergency so and so would of happened. Thought that was awfully odd. Not a normal EAS test, wasn't even a robot voice either, could tell it was a actual person reading the EAS message on radio. Very strange I think.
Also wasn't aware of any state test. Normaly they anounce those things prior right? I listen to local news, not a word about it before hand.
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If we're seeing material steps towards preparedness in multiple countries on both sides here, there's no way the Defcon can possibly be 5, right? I understand keeping a 5 through escalations because those escalations represent the risk of war and not necessarily the risk of nuclear war, but just observing the actions of various governments I'd hazard a guess that, mapping whatever internal govt/military alert level system to a 1-5 scale, it's not 5, because it's not business as usual when you're designating buildings as nuclear shelters and telling businesses, people to prepare for wartime scenarios, though there don't seem to be any movements towards offensive use that would probably deserve a 3 or below
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Defcon level depicts the risk (or distance) of a nuclear war.
Actions that reminds those during the cold war, like building shelters and providing guidance to the population "in case of", is common sense and should have been done in 2022, not a sign of an imminent nuclear war.
Now giving the fact that the highest risk of nuclear war we had during this war, was in late 2022 and when Ukraine invaded the Kursk region...when comparing those to the 13 days at Cuba, they were jokes.
That was a close call...not super close as it is romanced (imminent), but close enough to consider nuclear war, more than possible (Next step to nuclear war - DEFCON 2)
Remember that these actions from (mostly) european countries are triggered not by the perception of a more or less imminent war (conventional or not), but by the diffused idea that Russia by 2030 will have enough forces to invade Eastern Europe.
Move that would come with obvious consequences.
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Yeah it’s definitely odd they waited this long. IMO they probably should’ve started this in 2008 because that’s when it became apparent we were headed back to the Cold War
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NYC still technically has air raid shelters. They're not really maintained, but I don't believe they were ever officially decommissioned either. The signs are still up and I think they still have the original (probably long-expired) supplies buried under whatever junk is now being stored there, as well. Someone posted a map of them on X not too long ago.
I doubt they'd be of much use in they're current state (especially since most people under 30 probably don't even know what the signs mean) but they exist.
Yes. There still may be remnants or hollowed out shells of bomb shelters left in a few places across America. But they would be in no way helpful or save anyones life after they all have been decaying for 40 years plus of abandonment.
They would just be tombs with no working ventilation or ration which I'd bet a lot of money not a single bomb shelter from civil defense era has a working or proper ventilation after 40 odd years of neglect.
So technically your correct (best kind of correct) there are some, but in zero condition to fulfill any purpose of protecting from fallout or blasts anymore. Any bomb shelters left would need to be entirely retrofitted or entirely replaced from ground up. So imo no there are no bomb shelters left, at least working, functioning, or properly maintained ones, and most importantly not opened to the public mostly used for storage now by the city.
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Honestly, I doubt most of them would have been much good even when they were new and freshly stocked. Very few -- if any -- had any kind of specialized ventilation system. Most were literally just basements and got designated as fallout shelters because the building owners had pissed off some City beaurocrat. They might been helpful during regular bombing, like in WWII, but useless against not nuclear bombs.
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Yes. It's important to distinguish between a fallout shelter and a blast shelter. Most shelters in urban areas are fallout shelters only and would merely serve as mass crematoriums if that city was hit with a nuclear weapon.
That's honestly why most of them were allowed to fall into disrepair. The government figured out that stocking these shelters was a waste of money.
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