House Subcommittee Hearing On UAPS/Related Matters -Discussion

[Friendly Engineer]

What nutters...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-66307705

Think logically, let's say an alien civilisation lived 10,000 light years away. Let's say it takes 11,000 years to reach Earth with their ships.
11,000 years ago the aliens would see the Earth as it was 21,000 years ago. They would've seen no evidence of industry, no evidence of civilisations, just another planet which may harbor plant life. So why the heck would they put loads of resources into sending a probe here?

It would take an extremely advanced civilisation to send probes that quickly and that far. They would likely have some kind of Dyson sphere (we have seen no evidence of Dyson spheres). They would span across multiple systems, they would give off loads of data screaming out to scientists "Hey, we're an advanced civilisation!".

Yet, we haven't seen anything. Hence the most likely explanation is that aliens haven't visited Earth as there is no evidence for the existence of alien life to date.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I was just thinking about this this morning.

Science says we can't travel faster than the speed of light, yet these people want aliens from thousands of light years away visiting us all the time.

Very likely these "objects" are either government vehicles they don't want us knowing about or objects from foreign governments we don't know they have.

 

[teekay99]

I was just thinking about this this morning.

Science says we can't travel faster than the speed of light, yet these people want aliens from thousands of light years away visiting us all the time.

Very likely these "objects" are either government vehicles they don't want us knowing about or objects from foreign governments we don't know they have.

They have to test the things they build at Area 51 somewhere outside of the "lab environment"....

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Science says we can't travel faster than the speed of light, yet these people want aliens from thousands of light years away visiting us all the time.

Exactly! It really grinds my gears when people presume Faster than light travel is simply an engineering problem, it's not.

As you approach the speed of light and continue to accelerate, your mass increases and increases, and your speed increases by less and less. Eventually as you get to like 99.99% speed of light any further acceleration will result in absolutely tiny speed increases and huge mass increases. If you were to get too close to the speed of light, you'd collapse into a black hole (although to do that your ship would need huge amounts of energy, think star levels of energy).

It's a fundamental physics issue which cannot be overcome.

 

[teekay99]

Exactly! It really grinds my gears when people presume Faster than light travel is simply an engineering problem, it's not.

As you approach the speed of light and continue to accelerate, your mass increases and increases, and your speed increases by less and less. Eventually as you get to like 99.99% speed of light any further acceleration will result in absolutely tiny speed increases and huge mass increases. If you were to get too close to the speed of light, you'd collapse into a black hole (although to do that your ship would need huge amounts of energy, think star levels of energy).

It's a fundamental physics issue which cannot be overcome.

What you describe sounds like an asymptote. You can approach the speed of light at ever increasing "expense" but you will never reach it.
I am not a physics buff, so I guess "warp" technology and "wormholes" are still just features of the Star Trek universe?

 

[Peter Griffin]

What you describe sounds like an asymptote. You can approach the speed of light at ever increasing "expense" but you will never reach it.
I am not a physics buff, so I guess "warp" technology and "wormholes" are still just features of the Star Trek universe?

Warp bubbles are actively being researched for their possibilities by many institutions.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

I am not a physics buff, so I guess "warp" technology and "wormholes" are still just features of the Star Trek universe?

Wormholes are purely theoretical. As are warp drives.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Warp bubbles are actively being researched for their possibilities by many institutions.

Mainly in a purely mathematical sense.
It's just not possible to build one.

 

[Publius]

Exactly! It really grinds my gears when people presume Faster than light travel is simply an engineering problem, it's not.

As you approach the speed of light and continue to accelerate, your mass increases and increases, and your speed increases by less and less. Eventually as you get to like 99.99% speed of light any further acceleration will result in absolutely tiny speed increases and huge mass increases. If you were to get too close to the speed of light, you'd collapse into a black hole (although to do that your ship would need huge amounts of energy, think star levels of energy).

It's a fundamental physics issue which cannot be overcome.

Explains why Jabba the Hut just got fatter and fatter.
I know there is a real conundrum regarding SOL. I just couldn’t pass up the snark.

 

[Peter Griffin]

LIVE | Congress holds UFO hearing with retired Maj. David Grusch

Congress will hold a hearing Wednesday on unidentified anomalous phenomena, also known as UAPs. The event will feature firsthand accounts of UAPs sightings a...

www.youtube.com

Wow. Just wow. If you didnt think this is an important issue, or have completely ruled out the possibility of ET craft, PLEASE. WATCH THIS.

 

[Peter Griffin]

LIVE | Congress holds UFO hearing with retired Maj. David Grusch

Congress will hold a hearing Wednesday on unidentified anomalous phenomena, also known as UAPs. The event will feature firsthand accounts of UAPs sightings a...

www.youtube.com

Wow. Just wow. If you didnt think this is an important issue, or have completely ruled out the possibility of ET craft, PLEASE. WATCH THIS.

*ET doesnt inherently mean manned craft. Could easily be drones from another civilization.

 

[alphaecho]

US "absolutely" has possession of extraterrestrial spacecraft, David Grusch, a former member of a DoD task force that investigated UAP, tells a House committee, adding he knows precisely where they are and provided that information to the Inspector Gener…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684218127289049089

 

[alphaecho]

“If the UFOs are foreign drones, it is an urgent national security problem. If it is something else, it is a problem for science. In any case, unidentified objects are a concern."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684345371206598657

 

[Peter Griffin]

US "absolutely" has possession of extraterrestrial spacecraft, David Grusch, a former member of a DoD task force that investigated UAP, tells a House committee, adding he knows precisely where they are and provided that information to the Inspector Gener…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684218127289049089

Thank you for reporting on this

 

[Peter Griffin]

They also said they had retrieved non human biological material from one of the crashed crafts.

 

[Wesley]

Okay, we're off topic. Let's go back to balloon sightings.

Friendly's BBC link to the hearing and "What nutters..." comment began 2 side topics, and I'm replying to both here. If you don't want the discussions that he started in this thread, maybe his post should be moved to its own thread discussing today's UAP hearing and his objections to it.

UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP

A former military intelligence officer-turned-whistleblower told House lawmakers that Congress is being kept in the dark about unidentified anomalous phenomena.

www.cbsnews.com

There is additional detail in the hearing that CBS doesn't cover.

David Grusch is a USAF officer and former senior intelligence official at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). He served as a representative on two Pentagon task forces investigating UAP.

Some of the things Grusch said under oath:

• The information he's gathered comes from at least 40 individuals he interviewed over a period of 4 years, all either former or current members of the intelligence community.
• An ongoing UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program exists, claimed bodies have been retrieved from some crashed vehicles, these bodies are specifically biologically non-human, and knowledge of these comes from interviews with individuals who are currently involved in said program.
• He has knowledge of misdirection of funds and defense contractors overcharging.
• A lot of "I can tell you that in a classified setting." And he supposedly has had one for 11 hours already with both HPSCI and SSCI.
• He is under retribution and grave threats as a result of his whistleblowing. He and his wife have been exposed to things are that are in his words "extremely disturbing." These are the subject of an ongoing investigation so he couldn't detail them in public.

His testimony along with evidence, including the location of one retrieved craft storage facility, was already submitted to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG), who FWIU is mandated to perform his own investigation to authenticate any evidence.

Think logically, let's say an alien civilisation lived 10,000 light years away.

He never said extraterrestrial. That's media misrepresenting.

But me regurgitating Wikipedia:
"humanly traversable wormholes may exist if reality can broadly be described by the Randall–Sundrum model 2, a brane-based theory consistent with string theory"

Wormholes are purely theoretical. As are warp drives.

To say something is "purely theoretical" does not imply it cannot exist in reality.
On the contrary, if something described by a theory could not possibly exist in reality, then it would not be a valid theory.
But the nub is that you're insinuating universal non-existence, which you can't prove here. That is if you want to be logical.

I'd also point out- suggestions of absurdity based on the extreme unlikelihood that a government could keep certain things secret without it leaking seem a bit hollow when the same voices continue to call any leaker absurd from the start.

 

[Irag8er]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684321696248135681

 

[Irag8er]

It was a very interesting hearing. The believability of the testimony is up to each individual. I think it makes for good discussion possibilities. The flip side, well, we all know what the flip side could be. So please, let’s keep this on topic, avoiding any weird conspiracy theories, name calling etc.

 

[Publius]

Wormholes are purely theoretical. As are warp drives.

So was fission at one time not really too long ago

 

[Publius]

This is just an observation based upon sworn testimony of past military pilots and radar system operators.
UAP’s have been observed traveling at several times the speed of sound.
So my open ending question is if they can travel at speed in the atmosphere but not create sonic booms. So their already have some form of propulsion and vehicle that can perform beyond our understanding of the laws of nature.

Who can say there are not other ways to navigate space and time.