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Kirk Cameron Denied Story-Hour By Libraries For New Faith-Based Kids Book

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Actor-writer has not gotten a single 'yes' from the 50-plus public libraries his publisher has contacted so far — 'messaging does not align,' he was told​


 
I mean let's just be honest there, that tweet you shared was straight up phobic. It doesn't matter if someone wants to embrace drag, trans, gay, straight, or whatever they want to embrace, but they shouldn't publically or even verbally assault the other side, these publishers didn't assault him verbally, but that tweet and that article is the exact thing that starts these problems. Nobody wanted to host his book, there are groups that are more than keen to publish Christian books. If you come off as a prick that thinks someone owes you something you're going to get turned down. If he said some racey and crazy radical stuff in the book ...well you know, it's not going to get picked up.

I believe his book says something in it that the publishers don't want their name attached to, so he should go to a right wing-christian group with it if that many people turn it down. Let's not even bring up fucking doctor suess and how many times that dude got told no before someone took him up. Nobody denied suess because of what he was, they didn't think it would sell and someone took a chance and made money doing it. This queerbait Christian bait stuff is straight bs: this makes people not want to work with people like that, especially if they blame people for not wanting to pickup a book for a simple reason such as "drag queen worship". We are talking about people right now, not 0's and 1's.

That's like me writing a book on Christianity and trying to go to publishers saying if they don't accept it they are racist because of my color, or it's because I'm not trans. Just drop this stuff at this point, it's like...so bait. Man up like suess did, man up like the writer of twilight did, man up like potter's writers did: if you have no history in that field...you're going to have to get someone to take a chance. Not going to lie, this dude looks like the type of person to try and negotiate a one-way deal with his first-ever release that's an %80-%20 instead of a 30%-70%. If you have no following in that realm, nobody is going to take your crazy ass deal.
 
Are you for real? Queer friendly, gender fluid friendly, Drag showing libraries are refusing to let a book promoting a a Straight lifestyle for young people, be read. I say that’s as friggin phobic as you can get. And the line
t. This queerbait Christian bait stuff is straight bs
Is downright insulting.
 
Are you for real? Queer friendly, gender fluid friendly, Drag showing libraries are refusing to let a book promoting a a Straight lifestyle for young people, be read. I say that’s as friggin phobic as you can get. And the line

Is downright insulting.
The librarian has a right to refuse a book. A publisher has a right to refuse a book. Not every group is going to have the same reason and if you attempt to project it as such maybe the problem is in the person who's trying to sell the product. If a publisher doesn't want it...post it online and share it and advert it, take a loan. This is just bait, and bait is making me and you argue over something that's nonexistent because the writer doesn't want to get his pride out of his ass. He's an actor not a known writer. WHat is wrong with people allowing queer-friendly and gender-fluid-friendly books be hosted? Why does it have to always be anti-gay? Why does this always have to be people saying "it's because I"m gay, it's because I'm straight"...maybe it's something else, maybe your book is shit? maybe your book isn't what that publisher's people want to see and they know they won't make money? maybe they know that the library will not sell it so they don't want the book? '


A library such as B&N and such have to buy the books. They don't just stock the books at no cost. They have to pay to buy the books, and maybe they don't fucking want the books so they don't buy them and he gets salty? Publishers have to pay for the book to be printed and make a profit with a percentage...else no hosting, along with get someone to buy the books...else they won't sell and they are losing. I don't blame anyone for what's going on here besides him trying to gay-bait.
 
The librarian has a right to refuse a book.
Sort of.

Libraries are government entities. So they have different laws to follow.

If they are blocking Cameron from hosting a story-hour, but allow others to host story-hours, it is different than if a private entity refused, and they could be open to a lawsuit.
 
Sort of.

Libraries are government entities. So they have different laws to follow.

If they are blocking Cameron from hosting a story-hour, but allow others to host story-hours, it is different than if a private entity refused, and they could be open to a lawsuit.
Are we talking about public libs, or private selling libs?

Also William, they have the right to refuse it: I never said they don't. It just shows the character of being a trans-lgbtqia+phobe. Christians are a majority which makes them institutionally more powerful than minority groups.
 
There's a separation between religion (faith) and government; new faith-based kids' book

This book wouldn't be covered under that same thing because it's a religious book and it can't be enforced in a governmental setting.
Faith is religion: LGBTQIA+ isn't religion. Abortion isn't religion. Christianity Is religion.
 
There's a separation between religion (faith) and government; new faith-based kids' book

This book wouldn't be covered under that same thing because it's a religious book and it can't be enforced in a governmental setting.
You are misunderstanding the law. Libraries can not reject a book simply because it is religious. Private institutions can, but not government entities.

The law says the government can not require you to read a certain religious book. The government can not require a library to host certain religious books over other religious books.

But a ban on a book or event in a library simply because it is religious is not legal.
 
Are we talking about public libs, or private selling libs?

Also William, they have the right to refuse it: I never said they don't. It just shows the character of being a trans-lgbtqia+phobe. Christians are a majority which makes them institutionally more powerful than minority groups.
"Christians are a majority which makes them institutionally more powerful than minority groups." Watched any TV lately? Just about every prime time show has gay people in it. When was the last time there was a Christian based prime time show on any of the networks? So, tell me, who has the power?
 
You are misunderstanding the law. Libraries can not reject a book simply because it is religious. Private institutions can, but not government entities.

The law says the government can not require you to read a certain religious book. The government can not require a library to host certain religious books over other religious books.

But a ban on a book or event in a library simply because it is religious is not legal.
I don't think we should honestly prop this dialog up because it's a book owner who's clearly trying to advertise because their book isn't selling much. Initial copies were bought, but no more is coming in and he is now trying to gain media awareness to hopefully face backlash, which won't. It'll just close more options for him. This article and what he's attempting to do seems like anti-gay bait.
 
"Christians are a majority which makes them institutionally more powerful than minority groups." Watched any TV lately? Just about every prime time show has gay people in it. When was the last time there was a Christian based prime time show on any of the networks? So, tell me, who has the power?
It's because we are allowing minorities to have platforms and get them normalized for people all around the nation. I rather see a mintority on tv creating love for their culture and their ideals than hate from another culture preech slamming another. When you say "All gay....most ga....." that's a reaffirmation that you are stuck with a phobia. Instead say some, or from my experience, the majority of gay people do this. Instead of hard setting it to paint a whole group of people to be like that. The libraries didn't likely deny him just because it's a straight book...it likely projected something worse that's not being covered, or the guy was acting entitled, maybe got rejected by a few and lashed out and got himself in a position.
 
I don't think we should honestly prop this dialog up because it's a book owner who's clearly trying to advertise because their book isn't selling much.
Book authors regularly advertise their books with readings.

Do you have a source which says his book isn't selling and he is doing this to prop it up?

The libraries didn't likely deny him just because it's a straight book...it likely projected something worse that's not being covered, or the guy was acting entitled, maybe got rejected by a few and lashed out and got himself in a position.

Cite source, other than <my imagination>.
 
Book authors regularly advertise their books with readings.

Do you have a source which says his book isn't selling and he is doing this to prop it up?
1. Not sold by B &N
2. https://www.amazon.com/dp/195555029...ow+Kirk+Cameron&qid=1670478631&s=books&sr=1-2

no reviews.

3.https://www.amazon.com/dp/1955550298
Why do you have the god damn dangers of socialism in a childs books.

4. no reviews https://bravebooks.us/products/as-you-grow-saga-2-book-8-kirk-cameron
And they are likely making the evil people the people who do gay or socialist stuff, like what the fuck!? I'd deny this book to.

This is teaching kids to hate from a young age.
 
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1. Not sold by B &N
The book only came out. It is possible B&N hasn't listed it yet. Or that Cameron is just selling it through Amazon. I have a couple books that are Amazon exclusive. Other books took time to show up in other distributors' catalog.

Not unusual for a small publication book.

3.https://www.amazon.com/dp/1955550298
Why do you have the god damn dangers of socialism in a childs books.
I don't know what that link is supposed to be to other than his book.

Again, new book, small publication.

This is teaching kids to hate from a young age.
Have you read the book? What about it teaches hate?

So far, I haven't seen anything to back up a claim that Cameron is "projected something worse that's not being covered, or the guy was acting entitled, maybe got rejected by a few and lashed out and got himself in a position" nor that "who's clearly trying to advertise because their book isn't selling much."
 
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Lets teach our kids about border control instead of mathematics and trade schools... What exactly are we teaching kids about border control for? These are children who need to understand that they can be what they want and aspire and achieve what they want in this world, unlike the many people that set these pre-limitations against us to hamper us and our morals.

 
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