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Nukes against Russia on the table?

EMSChiefNJ said:

They're latching onto a phrase used by the US and then making all kinds of wild speculation, click-bait type of suppositions.

Specifically, the US mentioned "pre-emptive deployment" or something along those lines. Now, that could include a nuclear strike on Russian targets. It could also mean a whole host of other things. But nuking the Russians is the more fun thing to print, so there it is.
 
ValueWalk again. This website is obsessed with the idea that WW 3 is around the corner. I'm not entirely sure it's not part of Putin's cyber ops intimidation programme.

More likely though, it's just a bunch of amateurs who think they can produce a shocking 'newspaper'. Just look at the 'about the author' anyway. Usually, you would expect some description of university degrees, and diplomatic, military or political experience. Instead: 'Christopher Morris has been a passionate player of video games since the days of Space Invaders'. So, perfect qualifications to write about such matters. :roll:

I would urge people to ignore Value Walk in particular, but Global Research also has an extreme anti-US agenda. Not that I'm in favour of everything the US do, but I do want op pieces from qualified people based entirely on fact, not overgrown student essayists dripping with prejudice.

There's a lot more sensible comment on this forum, and you know it's a forum, not posing as a news source.
 
EMSChiefNJ said:


Yes, they are kings of hysteria. I believe they are referring to this:
The administration is considering three options for responding militarily to Russian missile treaty violations: defenses to stop a treaty-violating missile, the "counterforce" option to attack a missile preemptively and the "countervailing strike capabilities" option that implies the potential use of nuclear forces.

One of Carter's nuclear policy aides, Robert Scher, testified in April that "counterforce" means "we could go about and actually attack that missile where it is in Russia." Another Pentagon official, Brian McKeon, testified in December that this option involved potential deployment in Europe of ground-launched cruise missiles.

Scher said another option would involve "not simply attacking" the Russian missile but seeing "what things we can hold at risk within Russia itself." Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert at the Federation of American Scientists, said this could mean further improving the ability of U.S. nuclear or conventional forces to destroy Russian military targets in addition to missiles deemed to violate the INF treaty.


Don't you love 'defenses to stop a treaty violating missle'? Like that means all other missiles are cleared for attack.. ;)

What makes this particularly reckless, is notice its no longer about Ukraine. The Pentagon has now tied any military response to 'treaty violations', a much broader topic. This now can be applied to justify anything anywhere in the world. Not just if Ukraine goes sideways.

The article has 3 options, as you can read. The 'countervailing' strike plan implies placing nukes in Europe. That's what all the hubbub is about, although Carter does say in other articles that's at the far end of the spectrum.

The other 2 trouble me. Because they consider them an 'in the middle' response. Going after missiles inside Russia from Europe? Holding parts of Russia at risk? Are they insane?

We know there have always been contingencies for such things, (just so everyone doesn't think i dont know it's obvious weve been targeting Russia with nukes since 1945), but this sounds like nuclear blackmail. Very serious change in tone and policy (tying it to 'treaty violations'). We all can go 'tit for tat' on that forever.. Plain idiocy...

But I wouldnt worry about Obama, he won't do it even if he approves it. But the next President, or the hawks (if something, in their distorted minds, changes for the worse-anywhere), well they may whip up a frenzy to pressure the issue more quickly.

Very reckless and dangerous, especially considering it will ruffle the hawks in Russia pretty badly.

There are various iterations of this story, but when you see these three options, that's the meat. All else is oped or plain fear porn.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_RUSSIA_NUCLEAR_TREATY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
 
ArmyATC said:
What makes this particularly reckless, is notice its no longer about Ukraine. The Pentagon has now tied any military response to 'treaty violations', a much broader topic. This now can be applied to justify anything anywhere in the world. Not just if Ukraine goes sideways.
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Those defenses had nothing to do with Ukraine, even if the US had convinced themselves otherwise. Ukraine was an excuse to deploy defenses against Russia, and Russia knew it.
 
DEFCONWarningSystem said:
ArmyATC said:
What makes this particularly reckless, is notice its no longer about Ukraine. The Pentagon has now tied any military response to 'treaty violations', a much broader topic. This now can be applied to justify anything anywhere in the world. Not just if Ukraine goes sideways.

Those defenses had nothing to do with Ukraine, even if the US had convinced themselves otherwise. Ukraine was an excuse to deploy defenses against Russia, and Russia knew it.


Yes, Russia knew it the minute we pulled out of the ABMS Treaty. And especially after Russia said fine, we will help develop this ABMS 'meant for Iran' and the US STILL turned them down. When was that? 2009.

But my point is, before, it was classified or not openly discussed at G7 meetings.. and the Pentagon definitely was not going around openly developing plans to attack Russia based on violations of the INF, because Russsia didn't pull out until, what, about 2 months ago.

Just a very in your face, reckless provocation that need not even be said. Like you point out, all sides already knew where this was going. Now it's just pouring salt on the wound, IMO..
 
The AP article says Schar testified in April about this, so that's when Russia pulled out, or some time around then....

Which is why I say, why regurgitate this now, when it happened in April.. Just more cyber war crap that makes everyone think this just happened, thus irritating all involved.. Reckless.

EDIT

Yahoo, March 10, announces Russia pulls out of INF.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin-pulls-post-cold-war-203200839.html
 
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