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On the cusp of World War III?

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A scary question to ask, one that has taken on more relevance as Russia and the United States conflict over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

First, let’s settle on the definition. When talking about World War III, most people envision a nuclear exchange between world powers. So that is the definition we are going to use here.

Judging by the articles you see being written by media outlets, it would not be unreasonable for someone to worry that nuclear war is coming.

“Putin to launch missiles into Poland! World War III is imminent! The United States is at DEFCON 2!”

What would you think if you read that in your news feed?

Alarming, isn’t it? However, it isn’t true and is an example of editors using alarming headlines to get your attention or to click on a link.

Here are the facts:

Nobody knows what the U.S. military DEFCON level is. That is classified. However, there are public signs that can give the public a clue as to what the military status is: Bases closed to the public, forces being quickly reorganized and moved, politicians suddenly unavailable or in rapidly assembled meetings. These are things an enemy will look for and what the public can easily see as well. The United States is definitely not DEFCON 2 by observing activity at the Pentagon, military bases, and especially Air Force bases where our strategic bombers are deployed. If the U.S .were truly at DEFCON 2, those planes would not be sitting on the ground right now.

With all the latest news coming out of the Ukraine theater, What do we actually know for sure?

North Korean forces have been deployed to Ukraine and Russia is allying with another group to bring in even more personnel.

Outgoing U.S. Pres. Biden finally gave Ukraine permission to go ahead and use the ATACMS on Russian soil, and Ukraine wasted no time in doing so.

Russia immediately threatened a response, including a threat that any country providing these weapons to Ukraine would be open to attack. Russia then wasted no time in launching an experimental IRBM (intermediate range ballistic missile) against Ukraine as the apparent immediate response.

So where does this leave us?

In regards to Russia’s threats against western NATO countries, this is nothing new. Russia has made these type of threats in one form or another throughout this conflict. As to the new type of weapon used by Russia, first of all it was not an ICBM as first reported, which led to a lot of the latest WWIII hysteria.

Is it “new”? Is it invincible? It’s experimental, and the first time used in a war situation. Nothing is invincible, but it will be harder to stop.

The rhetoric, as well as the ensuing actions have certainly picked up, and are, at the very least, becoming more concerning. But keep in mind, this has happened numerous times during this conflict.

Frighteningly, war game models have mapped out this type of conflict and the models have shown the situation ending up in a nuclear exchange. We don’t bring this up to cause panic. We mention this because this is what the models are showing. Are they accurate? Who knows? Human reaction, like the weather, is unpredictable, and models are constantly wrong.

The bottom line is not to take headlines too seriously. They are designed to attract attention and get you to read the article or click the link. The truth is usually (but not always) buried in the article. After all, no one would click on a headline that says “Everything Is Just Peachy”.

The truth of the situation in Ukraine is that the situation is escalating and the public should remain aware of the changing situation. But also remember that the spreading of panicky unconfirmed inflammatory reports benefits no one.

At all times, the public is urged to learn what steps to take in the event of a nuclear attack.

The situation in Ukraine is nowhere near there yet. But it is heading in the wrong direction.
 
A scary question to ask, one that has taken on more relevance as Russia and the United States conflict over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

First, let’s settle on the definition. When talking about World War III, most people envision a nuclear exchange between world powers. So that is the definition we are going to use here.

Judging by the articles you see being written by media outlets, it would not be unreasonable for someone to worry that nuclear war is coming.

“Putin to launch missiles into Poland! World War III is imminent! The United States is at DEFCON 2!”

What would you think if you read that in your news feed?

Alarming, isn’t it? However, it isn’t true and is an example of editors using alarming headlines to get your attention or to click on a link.

Here are the facts:

Nobody knows what the U.S. military DEFCON level is. That is classified. However, there are public signs that can give the public a clue as to what the military status is: Bases closed to the public, forces being quickly reorganized and moved, politicians suddenly unavailable or in rapidly assembled meetings. These are things an enemy will look for and what the public can easily see as well. The United States is definitely not DEFCON 2 by observing activity at the Pentagon, military bases, and especially Air Force bases where our strategic bombers are deployed. If the U.S .were truly at DEFCON 2, those planes would not be sitting on the ground right now.

With all the latest news coming out of the Ukraine theater, What do we actually know for sure?

North Korean forces have been deployed to Ukraine and Russia is allying with another group to bring in even more personnel.

Outgoing U.S. Pres. Biden finally gave Ukraine permission to go ahead and use the ATACMS on Russian soil, and Ukraine wasted no time in doing so.

Russia immediately threatened a response, including a threat that any country providing these weapons to Ukraine would be open to attack. Russia then wasted no time in launching an experimental IRBM (intermediate range ballistic missile) against Ukraine as the apparent immediate response.

So where does this leave us?

In regards to Russia’s threats against western NATO countries, this is nothing new. Russia has made these type of threats in one form or another throughout this conflict. As to the new type of weapon used by Russia, first of all it was not an ICBM as first reported, which led to a lot of the latest WWIII hysteria.

Is it “new”? Is it invincible? It’s experimental, and the first time used in a war situation. Nothing is invincible, but it will be harder to stop.

The rhetoric, as well as the ensuing actions have certainly picked up, and are, at the very least, becoming more concerning. But keep in mind, this has happened numerous times during this conflict.

Frighteningly, war game models have mapped out this type of conflict and the models have shown the situation ending up in a nuclear exchange. We don’t bring this up to cause panic. We mention this because this is what the models are showing. Are they accurate? Who knows? Human reaction, like the weather, is unpredictable, and models are constantly wrong.

The bottom line is not to take headlines too seriously. They are designed to attract attention and get you to read the article or click the link. The truth is usually (but not always) buried in the article. After all, no one would click on a headline that says “Everything Is Just Peachy”.

The truth of the situation in Ukraine is that the situation is escalating and the public should remain aware of the changing situation. But also remember that the spreading of panicky unconfirmed inflammatory reports benefits no one.

At all times, the public is urged to learn what steps to take in the event of a nuclear attack.

The situation in Ukraine is nowhere near there yet. But it is heading in the wrong direction.
Great assessment.
 
Sight change in direction and move if better in another thread.

Is anyone seeing any tangible indications that Washington or Moscow is going to attempt to escalate further?

It trending on social media and of course that is not a reliable indicator of anything. I am asking not to divert the conversation into unverified rumors or speculation.

Rather I’m only asking that the many contributors be on the lookout for any serious indications. More eyes on the target you might say.

So all that said, don’t waste the forums time with speculative post on social media. Just actual reports.
 
Is anyone seeing any tangible indications that Washington or Moscow is going to attempt to escalate further?
The West keeps upping what Ukraine can do. And Russia keeps responding. Western governments are preparing plans and shelters for nuclear war.

This is starting to spin out of control.

The issue is neither side is planning to escalate. I don't even think Russia is thinking in terms of "escalate to de-escalate". Rather, both sides believe they are reacting to the other's aggression. (I won't bother going into who started the bloody war. We're beyond that now.)

This thing is taking a life of its own.
 
The West keeps upping what Ukraine can do. And Russia keeps responding. Western governments are preparing plans and shelters for nuclear war.

This is starting to spin out of control.

The issue is neither side is planning to escalate. I don't even think Russia is thinking in terms of "escalate to de-escalate". Rather, both sides believe they are reacting to the other's aggression. (I won't bother going into who started the bloody war. We're beyond that now.)

This thing is taking a life of its own.
🆕 "NATO is discussing the possibility of preemptive precision strikes on the territory of Russia in the event of an armed conflict with the alliance countries. This was stated at a conference in Brussels by the head of the Military Committee of the bloc, Admiral Rob Bauer.
 
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Note that it says in the event of an armed conflict. I actually read the article. The headline is wildly out of context.
Note that it says in the event of an armed conflict. I actually read the article. The headline is wildly out of context.
Correct.
But if NATO gets wind of an upcoming strike on a NATO country, say Poland, which has been alluded to by Putin, will they wait for it to happen? Then respond to an armed conflict?
Seems like there is more to read between the lines in this case.
 
But if NATO gets wind of an upcoming strike on a NATO country, say Poland, which has been alluded to by Putin, will they wait for it to happen?
Well, the article did say that they'd consider if if an armed conflict was already happening.

In the absence of that, I don't see NATO doing a First Strike on Russia.
 
The West keeps upping what Ukraine can do. And Russia keeps responding. Western governments are preparing plans and shelters for nuclear war.

This is starting to spin out of control.
Could this be part of the risk of drawing red lines and not following through when they are crossed?

If Russia draws a line and Ukraine (or the west) crosses it, and Russia does nothing, doesn't that feed the beast? Lead Ukraine (or the west) to believe they can cross the next line because the first warning has no teeth?
 
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