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Russia Launched Experimental IRBM Against Ukraine

This.
Putin’s survival depends on his success in Ukraine (or what he can sell as success).
If Putin resorts to a nuke (if he will actually able to do so) he will be politically dead.
Politically dead in Russia = biologically dead.
People tend to see Putin as kind of a dictator, because that’s how the western media depicts him.
But Putin is not Kim, or Pol Pot or Stalin.
Putin is actually the human representation of the Russian deep state.
Which is so huge that pretends to hide on plain sight.
But seriously though. How dumb will he look if he uses a nuclear weapon because he is losing a war HE started. Not only on the public stage but at home too. Hard to spin that one.

Which speaking of Russia losing... they are currently gaining ground right now. So another big reason why it would be utter nonsense for Putin to use a nuke at this current point in time if he is starting to win/turn the tides.
 
But seriously though. How dumb will he look if he uses a nuclear weapon because he is losing a war HE started. Not only on the public stage but at home too. Hard to spin that one.

Which speaking of Russia losing... they are currently gaining ground right now. So another big reason why it would be utter nonsense for Putin to use a nuke at this current point in time if he is starting to win/turn the tides.
All very agreeable.
Indeed the only time when the use of a nuke was believed to be on the table was at the end of 2022 when Russia was in a very bad momentum.
After 2 years, even if the momentum turns against Russia once again it would be hard to explain “at home”.
Doubt that Putin would like to end like Chruščëv…even if the reasons why he was removed and the scenario in which it happened, cannot be compared to the today’s theatre.
 
Putin won't start world war three over a war HE started. 😴 Imagine how dumb he'll look using a nuclear weapon in a war HE started because he entirely misjudged the situation by surrounding himself by yes men as every autocratic bag of dicks does. He's not going to waste his lavish life style over this, Putin has a wife & kids, hes to invested in this world to toss it over nonsense, nonsense HE started no less to. 🙄

And to put further salt on the fear of fire the US said they are not changing their nuclear posture as they see no indication WHATSOEVER that the Russian are. So nowhere not even remotely close to WWIII unlike how Twitter wants you to believe it's going to happen any second. Lol. Ukraine has hit way further into Russia an has caused way more damage with their own homegrown drones. These ATACMS changes nothing they only reach 300km, their homegrown drones can go much much further. It's a none issue.

I was slightly worried for a few days initially when Biden okayed the ATACMS but it's been a week now and nothing. US isn't changing its nuclear posture and US has ZERO indication showing that the Russians are changing their nuclear posture either. So this is all a big nothing burger like usual with Putins crybaby empty threats.
I do not put any nuclear weapon use off the table if he feels like he is dead anyways. You think he cares about wife and kids truly?

Here's what his presumed secret daughter has to say before she deleted her IG. Not confirmed his daughter but highly suspected, and before that post she "confirmed" it by posting and deleting a photo of her in a green dress when people used that to ask. Besides this post it was only time she ever implied she was his dad in public.


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She covered her face in most pics, but bc evidence isn't great she actually is his daughter, take a look and decide to believe it or not, but it is pretty much the only image we have into how he feels about family.

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That image was publicly posted when her IG was still up, mods, don't take it as some form of doxing, but I will not give out where I got the IG ss from.
 

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This.
Putin’s survival depends on his success in Ukraine (or what he can sell as success).
If Putin resorts to a nuke (if he will actually able to do so) he will be politically dead.
Politically dead in Russia = biologically dead.
People tend to see Putin as kind of a dictator, because that’s how the western media depicts him.
But Putin is not Kim, or Pol Pot or Stalin.
Putin is actually the human representation of the Russian deep state.
Which is so huge that pretends to hide on plain sight.

We sometimes listen to analysts and media speaking about the “US deep state “…the European deep states.

Oligarchs have always existed…everywhere…even if different names are used.
This we do agree upon
 
mobile icbm launchers have always evaded satellite detection for a very long time but that is a really good question i do know that the launcher its self would set up a screen that would avoid detection.
Geostationary military satellites can even differentiate what type of ballistic rocket has been launched fairly quickly after launch determined by the characteristics of the exhaust gas. This is tracked and determined by infrared tracking systems on the satellites. They can track and plot their course fairly quickly and then track it.

Defense Against ICBM’s is untested.
Theoretically US destroyers with the AGEIS system can plot a radar trajectory of a Ballistic rocket at mid flight and terminal phase to destroy an inbound warhead in the exoatmosphere.
Thadd systems are designed for reentry phase but prior to deployment of MIRV.

So in this case it is rocket science and much can be done but it’s not 100%.
At best what these types of deterrents achieve in their current deployment numbers is to discourage use of demonstrative launches of one or two IRBM or ICBM’s. Missile defense is woefully insufficient for a massive launch ICBM’s but that just my opinion.

That’s what has Russia so aggrieved about with the AGEIS ashore systems deployed in Romania and Poland. They are a fairly decent system to discourage a limited launch of IRBM against a European city. It minimizes the implied threat of Russia threatening to use just one or two. This is also just my opinion.

One thing that does not get discussed is the satellite data transmission network that is used to enable all of these systems to work together from warning of a launch to individual tracking and targeting. If they see one or more military satellites launched on.
One would likely assume it’s a prelude to a major attack. This to is just a personal opinion not US military doctrine.

Radar targeting integration has gotten so good the Army is testing large mobile howitzers with radar targeting system that allows a Paladin 155 with guided munitions to destroy inbound subsonic cruise missiles. It’s not deployed but in theory with the appropriate targeting system who know what will come of this.
 

Nuclear attack unlikely despite Putin's warnings, US intelligence says

The U.S. decision to allow Ukraine to fire American weapons deeper into Russia has not increased the risk of a nuclear attack, which is unlikely, despite Russian President Vladimir Putin's increasingly bellicose statements, five sources familiar with U.S. intelligence told Reuters.

What if, the US intelligence, is, wrong?
 
What if, the US intelligence, is, wrong?
You can't hide that your going to use nuclear weapons. You don't use a nuclear weapon without posturing and expecting a response, that's all very extremely noticeable. Not to mention I'm sure since the start of the war our satellites been monitoring Russian nuclear facilities, warehouses, or launch areas watching for any extra or abnormal activities.

ONLY way Russia could pull off a surprise nuke strike is from a SLBM-(sub launched ballistic missiles) imo. Any land attempt will see coming a mile away.
 
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Not wrong, it's the way the intell game is, you play to see if the other side bites... No one in intel leaks to the press without the ok, you'd be out of a job, and worse, if you did.
I tend to agree for two overlapping reasons. He’s not going to do it because it would ruin him in the end.
And two a demonstration launch on one or two missiles at Europe or US is potentially able to be shot down. Irregardless of what he claims. A failed limited strike is a losing hand for him. So the only way for assured destruction of his enemies is a major launch. That two is a no win path for him.

Need to remember he can bully pulpit Russia easier than a western politician can. So he will likely continue on same path.
Something tangible needs to be given to him and he must give something tangible to Ukraine. Personally if Russia is going to retain territory then Ukraine needs nato membership. Putin’s expectation that Ukraine shrink its military footprint is a pipe dream.
He’s going to feel plucky and reject this and the. We will see.
 
ONLY way Russia could pull off a surprise nuke strike is from a SLBM-(sub launched ballistic missiles) imo. Any land attempt will see coming a mile away.
And that wouldn't happen because a sub launch doesn't happen as an isolated incident. If Russia wanted to pop one off from a sub, you bet we'd see some sort of preparation by Russia for a response.
 
And that wouldn't happen because a sub launch doesn't happen as an isolated incident. If Russia wanted to pop one off from a sub, you bet we'd see some sort of preparation by Russia for a response.
Also…the launch of a SLBM would be a no return point towards an uncontrollable escalation.
It would be the most provocative option that exists.
 
But I don't understand the point.
Especially considering the west says Putin is bluffing. What is the concern?
The point is maybe Putin would be wise to quit hinting or threatening the use of nuke. Especially in response to a flagging conventional war he started.

But he wants to play so the game is being played.
 
Russia is still a nuclear power with a combined force of brics, that's my concern.
BRICS is an economic not a military alliance. India is not going to conduct any war games on Russias behalf against the west, that's stupid, India loves both sidesing.

Brazil is Brazil. America could invade Brazil and be back by evening. South Africa is... South Africa.

China is a threat to the world in many other areas, but I doubt it will directly involve itself in Russias wars, either.
 
ONLY way Russia could pull off a surprise nuke strike is from a SLBM-(sub launched ballistic missiles) imo. Any land attempt will see coming a mile away.
And that wouldn't happen because a sub launch doesn't happen as an isolated incident. If Russia wanted to pop one off from a sub, you bet we'd see some sort of preparation by Russia for a response.
Correct. Though I was just theorizing the only way any nation could pull off a supirse nuclear strike anymore would be via sub launch. Even then, that means you don't mobilize or posture expecting a response which leaves you open so in reality would never happen. As you said they would posture for a response. That's extremely noticeable.
 
And that wouldn't happen because a sub launch doesn't happen as an isolated incident. If Russia wanted to pop one off from a sub, you bet we'd see some sort of preparation by Russia for a response.
Not that I think this is all that likely, but what if Russia decides to a similar missile combat test but with an SLbM?
 
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