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Russia Launched Experimental IRBM Against Ukraine

Not that I think this is all that likely, but what if Russia decides to a similar missile combat test but with an SLbM?
A none nuclear SLMB (likely mirv) strike on Ukraine? Would be another strong message I suppose. But I don't think it would change much.

Why spend $$$$$ on a single strike when that money can be put twords cheap cruise missiles and strike dozens or hundreds of targets more for the same price as using these ballistic mirv vehicles/missiles.
 
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A none nuclear SLMB (likely mirv) strike on Ukraine? Would be another strong message I suppose. But I don't think it would change much.

Why spend $$$$$ on a single strike when that money can be put twords cheap cruise missiles and strike dozens or hundreds of targets more for the same price as using these ballistic mirv vehicles/missiles.
1) Real Life war time environment test
2) For effect
 
1) Real Life war time environment test
SLBMs already a tried and tested tech mastered a long time ago for Russia. No need to test.

2) For effect
Sure but just like their last IRBM attack, won't change anything. So why waste the money. Sure make a point. But even than seems rather mute to me.

If Putin really wants to make a point than test a nuclear weapon inside Russia. Already voided and broke all other treaties, what's one more. A nuclear test would accomplish this silly act of Putins crybaby antics & threats against the West much more clearly and effectively.
 
SLBMs already a tried and tested tech mastered a long time ago for Russia. No need to test.


Sure but just like their last IRBM attack, won't change anything. So why waste the money. Sure make a point. But even than seems rather mute to me.

If Putin really wants to make a point than test a nuclear weapon inside Russia. Already voided and broke all other treaties, what's one more. A nuclear test would accomplish this silly act of Putins crybaby antics & threats against the West much more clearly and effectively.
The only reason I say it is because Russia has now displayed 2/3 methods of their nuclear triad in combat their subs are the only thing they haven’t shown off. Biggest problem would be they don’t have one in the Black Sea and can’t get one through the Bosphorus right now thanks to Turkey so they’d have to launch from an ocean.
 
He is winning atm. The UA is pressed badly for man power. I don’t see any reason for Putin to escalate to an 11 with a tactical device.

IMO He is probably waiting for Trumps opening offer to each party.
And that's what we are all waiting for, will he press the happy big red button or will he not?.
 
And that's what we are all waiting for, will he press the happy big red button or will he not?.
Russia will not be served by employing a tactical nuke inside the Ukraine borders. The 2014 borders. It’s possible that an employment of a device inside its own borders like Kursk could, maybe, (but probably not) “get away” with it.

The use of a Nuclear Device by Russia would result in NATO’s immediate attack of all Russian forces in the Ukraine (stated position, will it happen, who knows?) as they move into, at a minimum, western Ukraine and Kiev as a peace keeping force and rescue force for Ukraine citizens. This frees up Ukraine to apply all its forces eastward. The US will begin to attack any attacking forces especially air attacks. Then it slips to units that might attack. Then units that could attack.

At each stage only Russia can de-escalate . If they stand firm, they find themselves at war with the US and NATO. If they back up, it’s almost certain NATO will push harder yet. There doesn’t seem to by an off ramp. Everyone loses. I believe a widen war following the employment a tactical Russian Nuke would be inevitable unless someone immediately puts a bullet through Putins head and calls for a cease fire and disengagement. Otherwise it all goes to shit.

The best way to avoid this is for Russia to not use one. The US settled on a divided Korea (status quo pre-war) rather than use a nuclear weapon on the Chinese hoarde. We sucked it up.

Russia is going to have to settled for stealing the Crimean and getting away with it. The only negotiating is over the eastern approaches of the Ukraine. Russia is not going to get a bigger, better deal. The Ukraine does not get the Crimean back.

The West is not going to listen to Putin posturing about a nuke, even if it’s real. He has cried wolf to many times. This makes things very very dangerous. The level of unpleasantness can continue for a very long time or it can go from 4 to 11 in one move.

My 2¢ YMMV
 
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Russia is still a nuclear power with a combined force of brics, that's my concern.
Yes they are and that is why I pay attention. It for me has never been my intention belittle the threat. Rather on how to form a rational real world “we’re here” reaction or response.

The things that could have been done to keep us from this place are long past us and meaningless. Save for throwing rhetorical shit bombs. Which only serve one purpose. Emotional gratification/agitation.

I grew up doing duck and cover drills in grade school. Came of age in the heyday of “Reagan’s” going to cause the whole world to burn and radiation to poison all life on earth.

Here’s two facts, the area around Chernobyl is not a dead zone. Yes it dangerous in many ways but life has gone on for nature. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki or flourishing cities today.

I throw that in here to point out nuclear weapons are not extrication level weapons. Not to down play their destructive power at all. Far from it, rather to simply take the extreme emotion reaction response to them away.
Even if there was a major exchange, guess what? Life will go on, changed absolutely. Harder lot of pain and misery.
People react to nuclear weapons like they’re some kind of baba yaga. Yeah that’s a theft fro John Wick. Though I was familiar with with the character before Wick.

To fear something it to let it control you.
We learned how to drive vehicles down roads at idiotic speeds that would kill us with one unfortunate turn of events.
And we learned to do it with reasonable safety in large bumper to bumper pacts of steel wolves.

Of course Russia has enough nuclear warheads to kill millions of people. As do we, as does China, as does Pakistan, Britian, France, Israel, and now DPRK.

When a nation or individual brings up the fervor or nuclear Armageddon I’m reminded of people running through the city streets yelling the the Mongols have come down out of the mountains or the Visigoth’s are moving south.
Life happens, life changes.

Fear or emotion to these changes does not forestall or protect my nation or my home. Reason and preparing is what will protect them. And one cannot let fear demand capitulation to a threat. No matter if it comes from the enemy, a friend or influencer.
 
To fear something it to let it control you.
We learned how to drive vehicles down roads at idiotic speeds that would kill us with one unfortunate turn of events.
I think this is the thing a lot of people forget. If we give into Putin’s nuke threats then what’s next? If China says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us Taiwan should we back off? If North Korea says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us have South Korea should we back off? If Russia says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us have Germany should we back off?

Nuclear weapons are scary but what’s even scarier is living life a prisoner under threat of death every day if we don’t let someone get away with what they want.
 
I think this is the thing a lot of people forget. If we give into Putin’s nuke threats then what’s next? If China says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us Taiwan should we back off? If North Korea says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us have South Korea should we back off? If Russia says we’ll nuke you if you don’t let us have Germany should we back off?

Nuclear weapons are scary but what’s even scarier is living life a prisoner under threat of death every day if we don’t let someone get away with what they want.
Dislike my post all you want but provide a legitimate answer. What do we do in those scenarios? Are you willing to give up your freedom because someone threatened that they might nuke you if you don’t? How is that any better than being dead?
 
The use of a Nuclear Device by Russia would result in NATO’s immediate attack of all Russian forces in the Ukraine (stated position, will it happen, who knows?) as they move into, at a minimum, western Ukraine and Kiev as a peace keeping force and rescue force for Ukraine citizens.
NATO has absolutely zero mandate to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for a Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and cannot invoke Article 5, and any NATO country launching an independent nuclear retaliatory strike would also not be able to invoke Article 5.

Does that mean it wouldn't happen? No, of course not. But for them to do so would be technically a violation of the NATO charter.
 
NATO has absolutely zero mandate to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for a Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and cannot invoke Article 5, and any NATO country launching an independent nuclear retaliatory strike would also not be able to invoke Article 5.

Does that mean it wouldn't happen? No, of course not. But for them to do so would be technically a violation of the NATO charter.
Nice, clear and precise common sense . Excellent evaluation of the facts. Thankyou. 🤝👍😉
 
NATO has absolutely zero mandate to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for a Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and cannot invoke Article 5, and any NATO country launching an independent nuclear retaliatory strike would also not be able to invoke Article 5.

Does that mean it wouldn't happen? No, of course not. But for them to do so would be technically a violation of the NATO charter.
They won’t use nukes at first but the US and ultimately NATO will enter the war directly. Biden couldn’t be more explicit about this. The chess pieces are already in position. I don’t even think Trump would be able to stand down on his own. Putin and his cronies just might think they could get away with it under Trump and that should scare everybody. The escalation happening right now is a direct result of Trump’s election and the fact Russia feels reinvigorated. Oh and we are already seeing what isolationism and lack of respect for the United Nations and rule of law is doing to global security with conflicts erupting all over the world soon to come to a place near you. But hey at least we avoided having to salute a woman President. We can die knowing we kept our warped sense of manhood. Might will always be right I guess.
 
NATO has absolutely zero mandate to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for a Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and cannot invoke Article 5, and any NATO country launching an independent nuclear retaliatory strike would also not be able to invoke Article 5.

Does that mean it wouldn't happen? No, of course not. But for them to do so would be technically a violation of the NATO charter.
I never said NATO would use a nuclear weapon. The DOD said it would destroy every Russian asset inside the Ukraine as a response.

IMO: Conventionally It would take less than two weeks to achieve superiority. A month for supremacy and dominance may never be acknowledged.
 
. The DOD said it would destroy every Russian asset inside the Ukraine as a response.
No offense but where has the DOD actually said this. I hear this all the time but I’ve seen zero statements from anyone actually in power about this. The only thing I saw similar was quoting David Patreous who hasn’t worked for the government in 8 years.
 
I never said NATO would use a nuclear weapon. The DOD said it would destroy every Russian asset inside the Ukraine as a response.

IMO: Conventionally It would take less than two weeks to achieve superiority. A month for supremacy and dominance may never be acknowledged.
Russia already has it with that new intermediate range missle. The delivery system now makes anything vulnerable to a conventional or worse nuclear strike, or just sheer kinetic energy, with only 8-10 minutes of warning and no real countermeasure. For now. Most of the west just hasn’t figured this out yet.

It would be a strategic blunder for NATO to escalate past where we are now. It’s time to settle this.
 
They won’t use nukes at first but the US and ultimately NATO will enter the war directly. Biden couldn’t be more explicit about this. The chess pieces are already in position. I don’t even think Trump would be able to stand down on his own. Putin and his cronies just might think they could get away with it under Trump and that should scare everybody. The escalation happening right now is a direct result of Trump’s election and the fact Russia feels reinvigorated. Oh and we are already seeing what isolationism and lack of respect for the United Nations and rule of law is doing to global security with conflicts erupting all over the world soon to come to a place near you. But hey at least we avoided having to salute a woman President. We can die knowing we kept our warped sense of manhood. Might will always be right I guess.
The escalation is because France and Britain started allowing Ukraine to use the latest generation cruise missile technology, which requires direct input from NATO forces in order to reach their target. What planet do you live on? Couldn’t be the blue rock…
 
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