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Russia says it will change nuclear doctrine due to western ‘escalation’ in Ukraine

Gaijin

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Russia will make changes to its doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons in response to what it regards as western escalation in the war in Ukraine, state media quoted deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying on Sunday.

The existing nuclear doctrine, set out in a decree by President Vladimir Putin in 2020, says Russia may use nuclear weapons in the event of a nuclear attack by an enemy or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the state. Some hawks among Russia’s military analysts have urged Putin to lower the threshold for nuclear use in order to “sober up” Russia’s enemies in the west. Ryabkov’s comments on Sunday were the clearest statement yet that changes would indeed be made. “The work is at an advanced stage, and there is a clear intent to make corrections,” state news agency Tass cited Ryabkov as saying. The decision was “connected with the escalation course of our western adversaries” in connection with the Ukraine conflict.

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine war briefing: Russia says it will change nuclear doctrine due to western ‘escalation’ in Ukraine

Work to amend doctrine on use of nuclear weapons ‘at an advanced stage’, state media quotes deputy foreign minister as saying. What we know on day 922
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Gaijin said:
Russia will make changes to its doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons in response to what it regards as western escalation in the war in Ukraine, state media quoted deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying on Sunday.

The existing nuclear doctrine, set out in a decree by President Vladimir Putin in 2020, says Russia may use nuclear weapons in the event of a nuclear attack by an enemy or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the state. Some hawks among Russia’s military analysts have urged Putin to lower the threshold for nuclear use in order to “sober up” Russia’s enemies in the west. Ryabkov’s comments on Sunday were the clearest statement yet that changes would indeed be made. “The work is at an advanced stage, and there is a clear intent to make corrections,” state news agency Tass cited Ryabkov as saying. The decision was “connected with the escalation course of our western adversaries” in connection with the Ukraine conflict.

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine war briefing: Russia says it will change nuclear doctrine due to western ‘escalation’ in Ukraine

Work to amend doctrine on use of nuclear weapons ‘at an advanced stage’, state media quotes deputy foreign minister as saying. What we know on day 922
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Please update this once it's done , for torch sake. 😉🤭
 
Ah yes, the famed nuclear blustering before they get their absolute shit rocked conventionally. Very valiant and honorable group over there!
 
It will automatically lower the first strike doctrine of the US also I guess, if they see Russia preparing for a strike.
 
A question, would US also strike Iran, N-Korea and China in the same strike since they are allied with Russia, or perhaps to eliminate the possibility that those Nations go free, while US might get crippled by some Russian nukes?
 
Erecon said:
A question, would US also strike Iran, N-Korea and China in the same strike since they are allied with Russia, or perhaps to eliminate the possibility that those Nations go free, while US might get crippled by some Russian nukes?
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IMHO In the event of an all out strike from and to the USSR errr Russia, the US, will “Take out the trash” and hit “reply all” deciding that it is time to “use them or lose them”.

India and Pak do not enter into the equation for preemptive targeting.

France and the UK will not as France will lack the will and the UK lacks significant capabilities beyond one major enemy at a time.

My 2¢
 
Torch said:
IMHO In the event of an all out strike from and to the USSR errr Russia, the US, will “Take out the trash” and hit “reply all” deciding that it is time to “use them or lose them”.

India and Pak do not enter into the equation for preemptive targeting.

France and the UK will not as France will lack the will and the UK lacks significant capabilities beyond one major enemy at a time.

My 2¢
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Agreed America will hit other countries regardless if only Russia launches. As Putin will also destroy western countries even if only America launches. This idea of limited strikes between such powers is simply wishful thinking and no where near reality.
 
Erecon said:
A question, would US also strike Iran, N-Korea and China in the same strike since they are allied with Russia, or perhaps to eliminate the possibility that those Nations go free, while US might get crippled by some Russian nukes?
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That's a good question. I don't see the US striking third parties unless they are involved. I don't see the US striking pre-emptively using nuclear weapons "just in case". That goes against US philosophy.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
That's a good question. I don't see the US striking third parties unless they are involved. I don't see the US striking pre-emptively using nuclear weapons "just in case". That goes against US philosophy.
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Iran and North Korea are forming alliances with Russia. IMO North Korea would attack the South the second the US is out of the equation.

If you are talking about getting woke up a 0300 to a full Russian launch with literally minutes remaining before the Sub launches strike and hundreds of others in the air head this way, I absolutely see the POTUS single man response on Russia and China simultaneously.

Now if you are talking about a build up or single launches (even multiple at the same target) the no, I would only see a measured proportional response.

Also in the nightmare scenario I feel confident both China and Russia are getting targeted. North Korea can wait with the 8th army commander given authority over the theater weapons, that we absolutely do not have on the peninsula 😉 as necessary.

Iran skates free unless they started the shitstorm that got us to this point.

But China and Russia are linked. Leaving a fully armed co-belligerent behind as we use half our inventory and lose another 25% is unwise.


•These are personal opinions and have no basis in fact or knowledge from my past nuclear surety missions. I was not privy to anything beyond immediate employment. A worms eye view, as an aviator, at best. Do not take anything here as gospel or inside information. I am literally Sgt. Shultz.
 
Torch said:
Iran and North Korea are forming alliances with Russia. IMO North Korea would attack the South the second the US is out of the equation.
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That certainly is something to consider.

Torch said:
If you are talking about getting woke up a 0300 to a full Russian launch with literally minutes remaining before the Sub launches strike and hundreds of others in the air head this way, I absolutely see the POTUS single man response on Russia and China simultaneously.
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Even if there is no sign of an impending Chinese attack?
 
Any use of nukes will be an in kind response against the initiator.

The stigma of “reply to all”. Is simply to great.

Shit the domestic blowback of even a major conventional response to a tactical nuke used by Russia will be almost insurmountable.

The blow back to any inkind nuclear used in Ukraine, possibly even including the Baltic nations is almost insurmountable right now.

Now a nuclear strike against a nato state that is another matter. It holds the inherent likelihood of a spiraling escalation that is totally unprecedented.
 
Torch said:
If you are talking about getting woke up a 0300 to a full Russian launch with literally minutes remaining before the Sub launches strike and hundreds of others in the air head this way, I absolutely see the POTUS single man response on Russia and China simultaneously.
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This assumes sleepy Joe is coherent enough at 0300 to make such an order. It could take 10 minutes just to get him to understand that it's not Medicare that he is being asked to launch against.... :)

Torch said:
I am literally Sgt. Shultz.
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Nah, I don't think so. I don't think you are as easily manipulated by a "Colonel Hogan" type as Shultz and Klink are....
 
teekay99 said:
This assumes sleepy Joe is coherent enough at 0300 to make such an order. It could take 10 minutes just to get him to understand that it's not Medicare that he is being asked to launch against.... :)


Nah, I don't think so. I don't think you are as easily manipulated by a "Colonel Hogan" type as Shultz and Klink are....
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Ty
 
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