Russia Threatens Sweden if it Joins NATO

[jjjppp11]

A top Russian official has told a leading Swedish newspaper that the country would be likely to face military action if it were to join Nato.

Link: http://www.thelocal.se/20150618/russia-warns-of-risks-should-sweden-join-nato

 

[JohnStone]

I speak with people from both Sweden and Finland on Undernet, they've been concerned about this for some time. Many fear a Russian invasion as they are NATO partners, but not actual members, therefore they do not fall under Article 5 of the treaty. Because of this, they feel that they are greater targets than the Baltic states.

It seems that Russia would take action just prior to them joining NATO, to avoid triggering article 5. Then again, considering the close relationship between NATO and Sweden, I don't think we'd be looking at a Ukraine scenario if Russia invaded Sweden...NATO would do far more, perhaps even intervene directly.

 

[jjjppp11]

I speak with people from both Sweden and Finland on Undernet, they've been concerned about this for some time. Many fear a Russian invasion as they are NATO partners, but not actual members, therefore they do not fall under Article 5 of the treaty. Because of this, they feel that they are greater targets than the Baltic states.

It seems that Russia would take action just prior to them joining NATO, to avoid triggering article 5. Then again, considering the close relationship between NATO and Sweden, I don't think we'd be looking at a Ukraine scenario if Russia invaded Sweden...NATO would do far more, perhaps even intervene directly.

Throw this into a European Collapse scenario that looks more likely to happen, and I am highly convinced we are gonna have an interesting Summer.

 

[AlbertGrand]

I speak with people from both Sweden and Finland on Undernet, they've been concerned about this for some time. Many fear a Russian invasion as they are NATO partners, but not actual members, therefore they do not fall under Article 5 of the treaty. Because of this, they feel that they are greater targets than the Baltic states.

It seems that Russia would take action just prior to them joining NATO, to avoid triggering article 5. Then again, considering the close relationship between NATO and Sweden, I don't think we'd be looking at a Ukraine scenario if Russia invaded Sweden...NATO would do far more, perhaps even intervene directly.

Gotland Island seems to be hugely important...

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/22/gotland-the-danzig-of-our-time/

They wouldn't just 'invade Sweden' out of the blue. A false flag terror attack in Kaliningrad and a 'special op' in Gotland to chase down the 'perpetrators' would be a typical Putin move. :?

 

[JohnStone]

Gotland Island seems to be hugely important...

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/22/gotland-the-danzig-of-our-time/

It is, a Fin was just telling me about this the other night. Its a valuable strategic point.

 

[AlbertGrand]

Gotland Island seems to be hugely important...

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/22/gotland-the-danzig-of-our-time/

It is, a Fin was just telling me about this the other night. Its a valuable strategic point.

And these are the kind of places we didn't have to worry about in the last Cold War, because they were chock-full of Swedish military and pretty well defended. So much for the 'peace dividend'.

 

[jjjppp11]

Gotland Island seems to be hugely important...

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/22/gotland-the-danzig-of-our-time/

It is, a Fin was just telling me about this the other night. Its a valuable strategic point.

Upon looking at a map, the Island looks like Putin himself made it. It's at a highly strategic location! You might as well put a sign up and build a rest stop just for future invading Russian forces.

 

[JohnStone]

Throw this into a European Collapse scenario that looks more likely to happen, and I am highly convinced we are gonna have an interesting Summer.

I thought I posted this before, maybe it didn't go through. Headlines are daily now, and whatever happens will be a lot to blame for the economy. Nothing picks a fight faster than than reaching into somebody's pocket book.

Moscow on Thursday reacted furiously to a move by Belgium to freeze the accounts of Russian diplomatic missions and other organisations, summoning the Belgian ambassador over the "openly hostile act."

"The Russian foreign ministry summoned Belgian ambassador Alex Van Meeuwen on June 18," the ministry said.

"The Belgian ambassador was told that Russia considers such action by the Belgian authorities as an openly hostile act."

Note the word "Hostile" being used again.

Source

 

[jjjppp11]

Throw this into a European Collapse scenario that looks more likely to happen, and I am highly convinced we are gonna have an interesting Summer.

I thought I posted this before, maybe it didn't go through. Headlines are daily now, and whatever happens will be a lot to blame for the economy. Nothing picks a fight faster than than reaching into somebody's pocket book.

Moscow on Thursday reacted furiously to a move by Belgium to freeze the accounts of Russian diplomatic missions and other organisations, summoning the Belgian ambassador over the "openly hostile act."

"The Russian foreign ministry summoned Belgian ambassador Alex Van Meeuwen on June 18," the ministry said.

"The Belgian ambassador was told that Russia considers such action by the Belgian authorities as an openly hostile act."

Note the word "Hostile" being used again.

Source

Money makes the world turn...Money can also make the world stop.

 

[AlbertGrand]

Throw this into a European Collapse scenario that looks more likely to happen, and I am highly convinced we are gonna have an interesting Summer.

I thought I posted this before, maybe it didn't go through. Headlines are daily now, and whatever happens will be a lot to blame for the economy. Nothing picks a fight faster than than reaching into somebody's pocket book.

Moscow on Thursday reacted furiously to a move by Belgium to freeze the accounts of Russian diplomatic missions and other organisations, summoning the Belgian ambassador over the "openly hostile act."

"The Russian foreign ministry summoned Belgian ambassador Alex Van Meeuwen on June 18," the ministry said.

"The Belgian ambassador was told that Russia considers such action by the Belgian authorities as an openly hostile act."

Note the word "Hostile" being used again.

Source

Don't forget, the EU 'anti-trust' case against Gazprom is still rumbling on. And the FIFA investigation of Russia World Cup 2018 is part of the general narrative too... it's easy for Russia to depict itself as being picked on by the west, to justify 'responses'.

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/79758/gazprom-given-more-time-to-respond-to-eu-antitrust-charges/

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/18/belgium-seek-compensation-world-cup-bid-fifa

 

[ArmyATC]

Don't forget, the EU 'anti-trust' case against Gazprom is still rumbling on. And the FIFA investigation of Russia World Cup 2018 is part of the general narrative too... it's easy for Russia to depict itself as being picked on by the west, to justify 'responses'.

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/79758/gazprom-given-more-time-to-respond-to-eu-antitrust-charges/

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/18/belgium-seek-compensation-world-cup-bid-fifa

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You are now facing great challenges in the spheres of security and reforms,” Blair told Petro Poroshenko, according to the Ukrainian presidential website. Poroshenko called Blair a “true friend of Ukraine” and offered him an advisory role. A source close to Blair declined to comment, and it is unclear whether Blair has accepted the role. It is understood that Blair would not be paid.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/18/ukraine-president-asks-tony-blair-advisory-role-poroshenko

That's what we need, Blair advising Poro.. Talk about the giving the fox the keys to the hen house..

And I believe Brussels ruled against Gazprom today. I'll try to find the link.. But remember Russias response to the last lawsuit.. 'do you think this law suit matters when war is coming to Europe'...

More than a decade after Russia stole the assets of oil giant Yukos, shareholders of the now-defunct firm may be a feeling a profound sense of schadenfreude after a Belgian court reportedly ordered the seizure Wednesday of 1.6 billion euros worth of Russian assets.

The decision would be the first fruit of the largest arbitration case in history, decided last summer, in which former Yukos shareholders won a $50 billion settlement against Russia. An international arbitration panel in The Hague ruled that the dismantling of Yukos beginning in 2003 was politically motivated. It said that Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials used a tax dispute to wrangle away Yukos’s assets — and imprison its then-boss, Mikhail Khodorkovsky — to bolster the prospects of other Russian energy firms run by oligarchs friendlier to the Kremlin. Khodorkovsky was freed in late 2013 after nearly a decade in jail, including time in Siberia.


https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/17/europe-deals-a-double-blow-to-putins-russia-sanctions-yukos-rosneft/

Your point on this suit is also dangerous because this is hitting close to Putin's pocketbook and his oligarchs that keep him in power. This just keeps escalating by the minute.

The article says they want to go as far as going all over the world in different jurisdictions and do this asset seizure.

 

[AlbertGrand]

And I believe Brussels ruled against Gazprom today. I'll try to find the link.. But remember Russias response to the last lawsuit.. 'do you think this law suit matters when war is coming to Europe'...

Your point on this suit is also dangerous because this is hitting close to Putin's pocketbook and his oligarchs that keep him in power. This just keeps escalating by the minute.

The article says they want to go as far as going all over the world in different jurisdictions and do this asset seizure.

Started another thread on GD.

I must admit, the Yukos thing passed me by last summer, doing a Google search it was only featured in the financial press, but the FT reported that comment, and a year on, that is even more scary. :?