Should U.S. be preparing for a North Korean nuclear strike on the West Coast?

[DEFCON Warning System]

After listening to experts describe the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear arsenal, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, paused amid a Capitol Hill hearing earlier this week and made a suggestion.

“We ought to have civil defense in this country,” said Sherman during a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Some of us are old enough to remember when we had civil defense and we were under our desks.”

The congressman wasn’t calling for an immediate return to the “duck and cover” days of the Cold War. But his statement reflects heightened alarm among members of Congress – especially those from the West Coast – over North Korea’s continuing nuclear tests and advances in missile technology.

In the last year alone, North Korea has conducted 20 missile tests and two nuclear tests. That’s a marked annual increase from the 42 missile tests and two nuclear tests of the previous seven years, according to Victor Cha, a Korea specialist with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Cha and other experts say it is highly likely that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will launch another intercontinental ballistic missile this year, in part to gauge the response from President Donald Trump. While some of North Korea’s missile tests have ended in failure, the regime seems to be learning from each launch to improve its capability.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article131808834.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Reginald_Johnson]

After listening to experts describe the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear arsenal, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, paused amid a Capitol Hill hearing earlier this week and made a suggestion.

“We ought to have civil defense in this country,” said Sherman during a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Some of us are old enough to remember when we had civil defense and we were under our desks.”

The congressman wasn’t calling for an immediate return to the “duck and cover” days of the Cold War. But his statement reflects heightened alarm among members of Congress – especially those from the West Coast – over North Korea’s continuing nuclear tests and advances in missile technology.

In the last year alone, North Korea has conducted 20 missile tests and two nuclear tests. That’s a marked annual increase from the 42 missile tests and two nuclear tests of the previous seven years, according to Victor Cha, a Korea specialist with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Cha and other experts say it is highly likely that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will launch another intercontinental ballistic missile this year, in part to gauge the response from President Donald Trump. While some of North Korea’s missile tests have ended in failure, the regime seems to be learning from each launch to improve its capability.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article131808834.html#storylink=cpy

we can only hope...they'd be doing everyone a favor

 

[Drumboy44]

This is a easy answer, yes. Would hurt nothing to be prepared.

 

[Obreid]

After listening to experts describe the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear arsenal, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, paused amid a Capitol Hill hearing earlier this week and made a suggestion.

“We ought to have civil defense in this country,” said Sherman during a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Some of us are old enough to remember when we had civil defense and we were under our desks.”

The congressman wasn’t calling for an immediate return to the “duck and cover” days of the Cold War. But his statement reflects heightened alarm among members of Congress – especially those from the West Coast – over North Korea’s continuing nuclear tests and advances in missile technology.

In the last year alone, North Korea has conducted 20 missile tests and two nuclear tests. That’s a marked annual increase from the 42 missile tests and two nuclear tests of the previous seven years, according to Victor Cha, a Korea specialist with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Cha and other experts say it is highly likely that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will launch another intercontinental ballistic missile this year, in part to gauge the response from President Donald Trump. While some of North Korea’s missile tests have ended in failure, the regime seems to be learning from each launch to improve its capability.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article131808834.html#storylink=cpy

we can only hope...they'd be doing everyone a favor

I can see it now if the nation adopted an active ongoing civil defence program on large scale.
Panic attacks and a whole new psychological syndrome to be Identify and label.
Americans who are "stressed" by an unruly trump might slip into seizures if confronted with where to go and what to do with periodic civil defence drills. Yes I'm being sarcastic kinda sorta

 

[RiffRaff]

After listening to experts describe the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear arsenal, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, paused amid a Capitol Hill hearing earlier this week and made a suggestion.

“We ought to have civil defense in this country,” said Sherman during a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Some of us are old enough to remember when we had civil defense and we were under our desks.”

The congressman wasn’t calling for an immediate return to the “duck and cover” days of the Cold War. But his statement reflects heightened alarm among members of Congress – especially those from the West Coast – over North Korea’s continuing nuclear tests and advances in missile technology.

In the last year alone, North Korea has conducted 20 missile tests and two nuclear tests. That’s a marked annual increase from the 42 missile tests and two nuclear tests of the previous seven years, according to Victor Cha, a Korea specialist with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Cha and other experts say it is highly likely that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will launch another intercontinental ballistic missile this year, in part to gauge the response from President Donald Trump. While some of North Korea’s missile tests have ended in failure, the regime seems to be learning from each launch to improve its capability.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article131808834.html#storylink=cpy

we can only hope...they'd be doing everyone a favor

I can see it now if the nation adopted an active ongoing civil defence program on large scale.
Panic attacks and a whole new psychological syndrome to be Identify and label.
Americans who are "stressed" by an unruly trump might slip into seizures if confronted with where to go and what to do with periodic civil defence drills. Yes I'm being sarcastic kinda sorta

Actually, in my experience, Americans as a whole are too busy worrying about the Kardashians to take any CD measures seriously. There is a cultural mindset of "It can't happen here/to me" arrogance that prevents people from taking even the simplest of measures to protect themselves in the event of an emergency. I give presentations on active shooter events, cyberthreats, and basic disaster preparedness all the time, and there are always those people in the audience whose body posture and facial expressions make it clear that the topics don't apply to them. I can't even convince good friends of mine who know my background to put together a basic 72-hour kit because they just don't think it's something they'll ever need. So, snowflakes having seizures if there's a civil defense drill? Nah. They'll be too pissed that they're missing their "Honey Boo-Boo" reruns.

It's okay, though. Just leaves more resources for the rest of us after the unprepared die off during the first week.

 

[Navarro]

After listening to experts describe the threat posed by North Korea and its nuclear arsenal, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, paused amid a Capitol Hill hearing earlier this week and made a suggestion.

“We ought to have civil defense in this country,” said Sherman during a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Some of us are old enough to remember when we had civil defense and we were under our desks.”

The congressman wasn’t calling for an immediate return to the “duck and cover” days of the Cold War.

Trouble is, the "Duck and Cover" propaganda campaign was never very practical for the public. Its function may be well-intended, but its value is really in the calming of intense Soviet fears at the time. The ranks of anti-war and anti-nuclear activists were growing, and a large segment of the population was simply terrified. "Duck and Cover" highlighted the threat of the "Red Menace" while simultaneously quelling related fears. In reality, the probability of surviving a nuclear explosion due to being hidden beneath a desk is very low, quite possibly astronomical. If the destruction at your location was severe enough to kill you, it's probably severe enough to kill your desk too. Very few would be likely to be saved from death by that desk, falling object or not. After all, if the initial destructive effects of the weapon would kill you if not for the desk, the radiation will certainly kill you later.

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Older folks might recall seeing that video in school. If you put any thought into that, it's clearly rather ridiculous.

"They know even a thin cloth helps protect them. Even a newspaper can save you from a bad burn."

They knew wrongly.

 

[Obreid]

we can only hope...they'd be doing everyone a favor

I can see it now if the nation adopted an active ongoing civil defence program on large scale.
Panic attacks and a whole new psychological syndrome to be Identify and label.
Americans who are "stressed" by an unruly trump might slip into seizures if confronted with where to go and what to do with periodic civil defence drills. Yes I'm being sarcastic kinda sorta

Actually, in my experience, Americans as a whole are too busy worrying about the Kardashians to take any CD measures seriously. There is a cultural mindset of "It can't happen here/to me" arrogance that prevents people from taking even the simplest of measures to protect themselves in the event of an emergency. I give presentations on active shooter events, cyberthreats, and basic disaster preparedness all the time, and there are always those people in the audience whose body posture and facial expressions make it clear that the topics don't apply to them. I can't even convince good friends of mine who know my background to put together a basic 72-hour kit because they just don't think it's something they'll ever need. So, snowflakes having seizures if there's a civil defense drill? Nah. They'll be too pissed that they're missing their "Honey Boo-Boo" reruns.

It's okay, though. Just leaves more resources for the rest of us after the unprepared die off during the first week.

It's a scary thought isn't it

 

[ThunderStealer]

Fear from North Korean missiles? No. They're not there yet, and if they ever get bold enough to launch a few, KJU needs to be ready to feel the full brunt of American firepower.

Civil Defense is a great idea, but since the West Coast is the most open to attack, and are the most disarmed, good luck convincing those states to loosen their gun laws should they need to repel an invasion. Governor Brown would rather be a bayonet test dummy than a combatant against an invading force, and a lot of west coasters carry that same sentiment.

In the age of terrorism you'd think that CD would be more prevalent among society, but no. There's always the naysayers in the crowd convincing everyone that the threat is blown out of proportion, that none of this is applicable, "when's the last time we were invaded? you know the cold war's over right? oh you'll never have to use this, the government will take care of us and they know more about what's going on than we do, so stop worrying and go live your life".

This is the same stuff I heard a long time ago, and then one day, 9/11 happened, and those same people were later putting my number into their phones "just in case". Prosperity makes monsters, but adversity makes men. Unfortunately our prosperity has made us lazy, and we confide way too much in our government. We've deferred all responsibility for our safety to the police, the legal system, the military, the paramedics, etc. all-the-while the SCOTUS has already ruled that the job of the police is NOT to protect you, that's your responsibility. A herd thinning is definitely in order, and should something bad happen, I see a lot of bullet sponges and bayonet test dummies merely slowing down the enemy so the rest of us have time to get in place. Civil defense begins at home, and that's where this starts.

 

[RiffRaff]

In the age of terrorism you'd think that CD would be more prevalent among society, but no. There's always the naysayers in the crowd convincing everyone that the threat is blown out of proportion, that none of this is applicable, "when's the last time we were invaded? you know the cold war's over right? oh you'll never have to use this, the government will take care of us and they know more about what's going on than we do, so stop worrying and go live your life".

It took the government over 72 hours to get drinking water to the Dome in New Orleans after Katrina. And Civil Defense in the 60s was a joke. Oh, look! The flash from a 5 MT detonation over your city. Just Duck & Cover, wait for the wind to die down, then dust yourself off and grab a beer. Our government's concept of disaster preparation has always been historically laughable.

Make no mistake: The only person responsible for your safety when the SHTF is you.

 

[Dixon]

The previous Nuclear War Propaganda wasn't great. But it seems most of us agree that it would be vital for the general public to be educated on at least 72-hour preparedness, while also making it easier to understand the long term survival aspects.

To me the best way the Trump Administration can show that they are looking out for us is by making it a requirement to have things like a 72-hour bug out bag, Emergency car kits, and plenty of necessary medical supplies at hand. Also like Lithuania; America and Canada should have their own War Manual laying out the basics of our military and the enemies http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/europe/lithuania-war-manual/ (If you can find or translate the manual in the link, I'd be very grateful)

 

[bpmprocolo]

The single best thing Americans can do, is to be ready for a 14-day period without water/sewer, food/cooking, medical help/drugs, or electricity/information. A prudent step is to have: a mini camp stove, a means to light it, and Sterno fuel, a Sawyer Mini water filter, folding shovel, and all required supplies to sit out 14 days in an area of refuge.

 

[RiffRaff]

The single best thing Americans can do, is to be ready for a 14-day period without water/sewer, food/cooking, medical help/drugs, or electricity/information. A prudent step is to have: a mini camp stove, a means to light it, and Sterno fuel, a Sawyer Mini water filter, folding shovel, and all required supplies to sit out 14 days in an area of refuge.

14-day would be minimum in my opinion. I always advise 90 days.

 

[ThunderStealer]

In the age of terrorism you'd think that CD would be more prevalent among society, but no. There's always the naysayers in the crowd convincing everyone that the threat is blown out of proportion, that none of this is applicable, "when's the last time we were invaded? you know the cold war's over right? oh you'll never have to use this, the government will take care of us and they know more about what's going on than we do, so stop worrying and go live your life".

It took the government over 72 hours to get drinking water to the Dome in New Orleans after Katrina. And Civil Defense in the 60s was a joke. Oh, look! The flash from a 5 MT detonation over your city. Just Duck & Cover, wait for the wind to die down, then dust yourself off and grab a beer. Our government's concept of disaster preparation has always been historically laughable.

Make no mistake: The only person responsible for your safety when the SHTF is you.

I never understood duck and cover, other than you're lowest to the ground and MIGHT not get hit with debris if you're far enough away from the blast. Other than that, you're a crispy critter in the fetal position. I do like the "grab a beer" part, we need to integrate that more into our plans.

 

[Obreid]

In the age of terrorism you'd think that CD would be more prevalent among society, but no. There's always the naysayers in the crowd convincing everyone that the threat is blown out of proportion, that none of this is applicable, "when's the last time we were invaded? you know the cold war's over right? oh you'll never have to use this, the government will take care of us and they know more about what's going on than we do, so stop worrying and go live your life".

It took the government over 72 hours to get drinking water to the Dome in New Orleans after Katrina. And Civil Defense in the 60s was a joke. Oh, look! The flash from a 5 MT detonation over your city. Just Duck & Cover, wait for the wind to die down, then dust yourself off and grab a beer. Our government's concept of disaster preparation has always been historically laughable.

Make no mistake: The only person responsible for your safety when the SHTF is you.

I never understood duck and cover, other than you're lowest to the ground and MIGHT not get hit with debris if you're far enough away from the blast. Other than that, you're a crispy critter in the fetal position. I do like the "grab a beer" part, we need to integrate that more into our plans.

Shorter shadow

 

[ThunderStealer]

It took the government over 72 hours to get drinking water to the Dome in New Orleans after Katrina. And Civil Defense in the 60s was a joke. Oh, look! The flash from a 5 MT detonation over your city. Just Duck & Cover, wait for the wind to die down, then dust yourself off and grab a beer. Our government's concept of disaster preparation has always been historically laughable.

Make no mistake: The only person responsible for your safety when the SHTF is you.

I never understood duck and cover, other than you're lowest to the ground and MIGHT not get hit with debris if you're far enough away from the blast. Other than that, you're a crispy critter in the fetal position. I do like the "grab a beer" part, we need to integrate that more into our plans.

Shorter shadow

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[rudemarine]

The Snowflakes in California to Washington state would never do anything for themselves anyway. The US dismantled Civil Defense for nukes at the same time they removed the massive Nike missiles sites that surrounded every big city and base. There has to be one big reason for it. They either have some way to prevent any ICBM from hitting the US, that they do not want to tell anyone about or they know it wont happen. I know after the FBI stole Teslas documents anything is possible, he made a weapon that would make nukes irrelevant but never gave the prints to any nation knowing it would be used for offense not defense.

 

[apollonights]

In the age of terrorism you'd think that CD would be more prevalent among society, but no. There's always the naysayers in the crowd convincing everyone that the threat is blown out of proportion, that none of this is applicable, "when's the last time we were invaded? you know the cold war's over right? oh you'll never have to use this, the government will take care of us and they know more about what's going on than we do, so stop worrying and go live your life".

It took the government over 72 hours to get drinking water to the Dome in New Orleans after Katrina. And Civil Defense in the 60s was a joke. Oh, look! The flash from a 5 MT detonation over your city. Just Duck & Cover, wait for the wind to die down, then dust yourself off and grab a beer. Our government's concept of disaster preparation has always been historically laughable.

Make no mistake: The only person responsible for your safety when the SHTF is you.

I never understood duck and cover, other than you're lowest to the ground and MIGHT not get hit with debris if you're far enough away from the blast. Other than that, you're a crispy critter in the fetal position. I do like the "grab a beer" part, we need to integrate that more into our plans.

One of the myths of Duck and Cover is that it wasn't an effective strategy during the time period it was released. In 1951 thermonuclear weapons didn't exist just simple atom bombs like what North Korea has today. If your city was hit by one in 1951 you had a relatively high chance of survival. Taking actions such as duck and covering behind a heavy brick wall in a school could be the difference between living the next sixty years and dying from flash burns. Furthermore because such an attack in 1951 would have horrible targeting it might not even hit the city center, meaning that your area would ONLY be under threat of burns or wooden structures catching fire.

Let us all remember that nuclear weapons, especially less powerful atom bombs, have a much smaller radius in which they can destroy brick and concrete structures. I think at Hiroshima someone survived 700 ft from ground zero because she was in a concrete building's basement for instance.

 

[Panharith]

I suppose these nuclear armaments that North Korea has are not boomerangs ?

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[Doc]

They either have some way to prevent any ICBM from hitting the US, that they do not want to tell anyone about or they know it wont happen.

Or - they made the same calculations as everyone else regarding post nuclear civilan life.

 

[Gen Jack D. Ripper]

Time to clean the house!!

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