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The French Government Has Collapsed Again...

⭕️ The Élysée Palace announced on Monday that French President Emmanuel #Macron will appoint a new prime minister "in the coming days."

⭕️ The Élysée explained that the decision came after parliament voted earlier in the day to withdraw confidence from the government over its plans to rein in the ballooning public debt.

⭕️ Prime Minister François Bayrou's office told Reuters that Bayrou, who had called for a vote of confidence, will submit his resignation on Tuesday morning.

#Brieflex
https://twitter.com/x/status/1965120641570349540
 
Or snap elections? I won’t pretend to know parliamentary gov well in all their various amalgamation to comment of them extensively. But it seems Macron’s gov isn’t particularly popular.
If I remember correctly it took some finagling for him hold on to power last time.
 
OReid said:
Or snap elections? I won’t pretend to know parliamentary gov well in all their various amalgamation to comment of them extensively. But it seems Macron’s gov isn’t particularly popular.
If I remember correctly it took some finagling for him hold on to power last time.
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Le Pen has called for snap elections.
 
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OReid said:
Or snap elections? I won’t pretend to know parliamentary gov well in all their various amalgamation to comment of them extensively. But it seems Macron’s gov isn’t particularly popular.
If I remember correctly it took some finagling for him hold on to power last time.
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Unlikely.
Last time Macron dissolved the parliament and called a snap election, it wasn't a good result for him, since his party didn't managed to get a majority in the parliament.

Now the situation is the same, and another snap election would lead to the same result (or worse)
 
Onoya said:
Unlikely.
Last time Macron dissolved the parliament and called a snap election, it wasn't a good result for him, since his party didn't managed to get a majority in the parliament.

Now the situation is the same, and another snap election would lead to the same result (or worse)
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Thank you!

In person perspectives are always highly appreciated.
 
Torch said:
Thank you!

In person perspectives are always highly appreciated.
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You're welcome. Also keep in mind that i'm not a politic expert, and Macron could try an unexpected poker move and try to dissolved again the parlement and call for snap election

Bayrou (The PM that got destituted this night) kinda did a poker move by calling that confidence vote (which turned against him).

It is also likely that Macron (and the future PM) will wait to see the population support for the 10th september protest movement that is incoming, to decide after what to do
 
France sure seems to have governments collapse a lot. To an American that is.

Although it seems to be less this decade. (Only subjective not objective in any way)

Is it because two or three parties are so close or is it 5-6 parties spreading out the vote?

I dislike parliamentarian systems for this reason. Of course sitting on the edge of a civil war here in the States for at least a decade is not better. I will shut up now.
 
Torch said:
France sure seems to have governments collapse a lot. To an American that is.

Although it seems to be less this decade. (Only subjective not objective in any way)

Is it because two or three parties are so close or is it 5-6 parties spreading out the vote?

I dislike parliamentarian systems for this reason. Of course sitting on the edge of a civil war here in the States for at least a decade is not better. I will shut up now.
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No need to shut up, we are all free to speak^^

France is unstable since 2017 (with a political crisis since June 2024). This is happening after a period of relative "political stability" since the beginning of the fifth republic in 1958 (the fourth republic that got implemented after WWII was particuliary unstable due a big power to the parliament. The fifth republic that is in place now gives more power to the president and the government).


Since decades, it was the traditionnal right (UMP/LR) and the traditionnal left (PS) that was running. The president was from one of those 2 groups, with a majority in the parliament to vote the laws. During those times, the traditionnal left and right had 80% of the vote (the remaining 20% going to far right FN/RN and the far left)


However, in 2017, a big change happened. The traditionnal left kinda collapsed (with the PS party going from 40%-ish votes to less than 10%), and the traditionnal right (UMP/LR) kinda had the same, especially with the Penelope-gate ( Fillon affair - Wikipedia ) that made the traditionnal right lose most of its support.



With the 2 traditionnal right and left party collapsing or losing most of their support, the far right and far left rose in popularity, and same with the center.


That's when Macron (center) got elected, taking advantage of the power vaccum left by traditionnal right and left (and fueled by the rose of the far-right, which made a lot of leftist vote to Macron, because it's better for a leftist to have Macron from the center that Le Pen from the far right)


This is how 2017 kinda broke the decades old equilibrium that was in place since 1958.


Main issue with Macron, especially after he got reelected in 2022, is that he can't really get a true majority in both population support and parliament. So he was to do alliance with other parties, which is failing (Macron still tries to comply to his program he got elected for in 2017, but since other parties don't want that, negociations are stuck)
There was the "history lesson", now, here is my opinion (i'm not partisan of 1 party specifically, but i'm more left leaning in most of my opinions)


Like, now, Macron will have to choose a new PM (that could be from another parties that his own), that will have to do some alliances to remain in place.


In my opinion, it would be better to appoint a PM from the PS and make a left-center alliance (excluding maybe the far left of LFI and communist party).

The left is already having an alliance called the NFP (Nouveau front populaire), which consist of PS, LFI, Ecologist and communists. That NFP group is currently the strongest now in parliament, kinda won the last snap election. Maybe it's time to Macron to do a "Cohabitation" (having a PM that isn't from the presidential party).

Last cohabitation happened between 1997 and 2002 ( Cohabitation (government) - Wikipedia ), it worked, why not do it again?


Even if i'm more of a leftist, i would even be in favor of Macron making an alliance with the far right.

The far right and the NFP left alliance won the snap election (those are the strongest group), why not respect the voter's decision and appoint the largest group to rule, instead of appointing another PM from a party that is weak in the parliament
 
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