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Trumps Ambition for Nobel Peace Prize

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Wow this became uncivil quick.
Today I kind of woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I’m just gonna leave this here.

We are a bunch of clowns. Trump wants a Nobel prize? I thought he was anti war! If he’s anti war he would be against the department of war, no?
 
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Wow this became uncivil quick.
Today I kind of woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I’m just gonna leave this here.

We are a bunch of clowns. Trump wants a Nobel prize? I thought he was anti war! If he’s anti war he would be against the department of war, no?
Didn't he devote a big part of his inauguration speech to how America would not be getting into any wars?

I guess that's out of the window. And TBH it's not a bad thing per se - because an isolationist America means world go kaboom - but I somehow suspect that the wars he's planning are not the ones most of us would like to see happen... :unsure:
 
Wow this became uncivil quick.
Today I kind of woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I’m just gonna leave this here.

We are a bunch of clowns. Trump wants a Nobel prize? I thought he was anti war! If he’s anti war he would be against the department of war, no?
It should go back to the dept of war. We might win one with the mindset that we are there to kill everyone that resists or interferes. War is ugly and it sucks ass. (And it is mind numbing boring)

If we are ready to be hard insensitive assholes maybe our enemies wouldn’t fight us.
 
Wow this became uncivil quick.
Today I kind of woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I’m just gonna leave this here.

We are a bunch of clowns. Trump wants a Nobel prize? I thought he was anti war! If he’s anti war he would be against the department of war, no?
obama got a peace prize.
 
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Wow this became uncivil quick.
Today I kind of woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I’m just gonna leave this here.

We are a bunch of clowns. Trump wants a Nobel prize? I thought he was anti war! If he’s anti war he would be against the department of war, no?
Hahahaha


Even when loses he wins 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

We’re going to win so much…. You may get tired of winning!!!
 
Nobel is awarded for 2024 actions, not for something that happened three days ago.... Since Trump knows that too, this whole Nobel push feels like nothing more than propaganda to stir more chaos and division.
You know DN that would be all well and good except that the timeline for Obama receiving his is the same for Trump. He took office in 2009 and received it in 09 as well. So what did Obama due in 08 as a candidate to impact international relations and peace.

It’s not that I particularly care about Trump winning. Does he deserve it? Evidently several foreign national leaders his administration has worked with this year thought he did.
No one knows who nominated Obama, that was confidential.
It’s the hypocrisy of the double standards they’re now so lazily flaunting.

I had to play some catch up on Ms Machado and what I can tell she is certainly a deserving candidate and seems to qualify, at least with what little I know of her. So congratulations to her and hope she keeps up the fight.

It is altogether significant that in her victory and the celebration, by so many it is not a celebration that this deserving person won. But in the crass celebration that Trump lost. Nothing more nothing less, petty political narratives.
It’s not on the criteria of who won. Rather solely on who didn’t receive it. So singularly not based in reasoned intellectual discourse.

Then it is also thoroughly enlightening how determined so many are to not just dismiss her recognition of Trump. For his efforts to advance peace accords and support peoples who are struggling against authoritarianism.

But to simply ignore her appreciation and public dedication to President Trump.

To not even speak of it, to erase it, attempting to rewrite history in real time.
It very much smacks of “Newsspeak”
 
It’s not that I particularly care about Trump winning.
It doesn't matter whether it's 2024, 2025, or later,
Trump doesn't meet these criteria: human rights, humanitarian aid, and freedom. As for the Israel-Hamas peace treaty, the game is far from over. Moreover, Trump doesn't negotiate with diplomacy; he does so with threats. He's out of the running for this title.
 
It doesn't matter whether it's 2024, 2025, or later,
Trump doesn't meet these criteria: human rights, humanitarian aid, and freedom. As for the Israel-Hamas peace treaty, the game is far from over. Moreover, Trump doesn't negotiate with diplomacy; he does so with threats. He's out of the running for this title.
That’s fine you can object or disqualify Trump.
That does not change the fact that the person selected thanked Trump for his efforts. That is not meaning less or insignificant.

But now feel free to deride her as being used because of some sullied reason.
 
The US dropped tens of thousands of bombs on Middle East countries during Obama's term. Actual numbers are difficult to come by due to the definition of what constitutes a "bombing," but 30,000 or more just in 2016 alone is a pretty solid estimate. Obama did not deserve that prize, especially since he had not had a chance to do *anything* in office that would warrant it at the time he received it.

Trump doesn't deserve it either, for similar reasons. The number of conflicts around the globe has not changed significantly since he took office, and while he might honestly be trying to achieve a peace deal with Israel, so has every other president before him to one extent or another. IF he succeeds and IF that peace holds, I might change my mind, but historically, the odds are not in his favor. The same could be said for the war in Ukraine. If Trump manages to broker a deal that ends that war and it holds, I might change my mind. However, I don't think the odds favor him much in that endeavor either.
 
The US dropped tens of thousands of bombs on Middle East countries during Obama's term. Actual numbers are difficult to come by due to the definition of what constitutes a "bombing," but 30,000 or more just in 2016 alone is a pretty solid estimate. Obama did not deserve that prize, especially since he had not had a chance to do *anything* in office that would warrant it at the time he received it.

Trump doesn't deserve it either, for similar reasons. The number of conflicts around the globe has not changed significantly since he took office, and while he might honestly be trying to achieve a peace deal with Israel, so has every other president before him to one extent or another. IF he succeeds and IF that peace holds, I might change my mind, but historically, the odds are not in his favor. The same could be said for the war in Ukraine. If Trump manages to broker a deal that ends that war and it holds, I might change my mind. However, I don't think the odds favor him much in that endeavor either.
In part I agree however Carter was awarded the Prize for his Efforts to promote peace. Does that mean since most of his efforts resulted in few material long term results it should be revoked?

None of this is about Trump getting it, at least for me.
It the hypocrisy of prizes like this in general.
As you said Obama got pretty good at dropping JDAMS.

Trump has put political pressure and sometime force. Then sent in people to try and negotiate settlements. Of course using economic and trade offers to encourage them as well.
This is how international negotiations have always worked and will always work.
There has to be real world incentives to facilitate these settlements.

Without them you’re just a bully coming in and telling your smaller neighbors how to behave. And if that doesn’t work you JADAM them

So what he has done is a real world realistic effort is it not?
 
In part I agree however Carter was awarded the Prize for his Efforts to promote peace. Does that mean since most of his efforts resulted in few material long term results it should be revoked?
I was going to make a comment in my original post about Carter being the US president that came the closest to a true Middle East peace deal, but I've been trying to keep it as politically neutral as possible.

That being said, it is my personal opinion that a person publicly announcing that they deserve any type of award like this automatically disqualifies them from consideration for that award.
 
I was going to make a comment in my original post about Carter being the US president that came the closest to a true Middle East peace deal, but I've been trying to keep it as politically neutral as possible.

That being said, it is my personal opinion that a person publicly announcing that they deserve any type of award like this automatically disqualifies them from consideration for that award.
Oh it is tacky as hell no question. But that is part of what I like about him. When he does stuff like that it’s a big middle finger to Washington and the establishment.

Trumps no savior but he is a bull in the China shop. I just happen to believe we need a bull in the Washington right now.
If in the future he goes to far with things of significance. Then I’ll be first inline to criticize him.
He’s already walking a line with me regarding the big tech and AI. I support it in principle and believe for issues of national security we need a coordinated effort to strengthen our capabilities. But it’s a potential can of worms on multiple levels.

I have also reminded myself that as a representative gov when we elect people we do so with the understanding they are acting in our stead. Even if on a particular issues we might disagree with them.

I’ve contrasted that with what both parties have done in the past to the nation.
I’ll take the risk to trust him. There are people on the conservative side that already are challenging him on issues like this.

It’s politics and politics has never been a straight up binary choice. We were screwed as far as constitutional limitations and their abuses before he ever announced his candidacy.
Unfortunately even with good people in the middle the extremes of both sides right now make good collegial government impossible.

Paul, whom I supported in the 2016 primary, is possibly the most civil and principled person in the senate currently.
And the extremes would eat his lunch and nothing would get done.
 
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