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This.
I don't understand the purpose of Le Monde's article as there's absolutely nothing new, besides some details over the names of the contractors that could be involved, and that are already well known.
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I don't understand the purpose of Le Monde's article as there's absolutely nothing new, besides some details over the names of the contractors that could be involved, and that are already well known.
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And the British ones have already been there for months, and correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Biden and the pentagon authorize U.S. defense contractors a couple weeks ago.
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I think US defense contractors have been there for months if I'm not mistaken
Well yea that's what their saying. There always two different things, what the Russians say/claim and what actually is happening, which is nornaly two different things entirely. Make sense they do this in recent response to storm shadows."On November 26, the British Ambassador to Moscow, Nigel Casey, was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry, who received a note of protest in connection with the information that the second secretary of the British Embassy, Wilkes Pryor, deliberately stated false information about himself as he was seeking a permission to enter our country," the statement from the ministry reads.
UK ambassador to Russia gets note of protest over false info on embassy’s officer
According to the Russian Foreign Ministry, "Wilkes Pryor, deliberately stated false information about himself as he was seeking a permission to enter our country"tass.com
Also I'm just repeating what the BCC analysis guess said about this likely being in response to storm shadows even though Russia claims it's for somthing else. I'm just agreeing with BBC analysis guest. Not my personal analysis or statement on the matter.
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It's possible but if it was due to the missiles, I would have expected much more noise from TASS and RT, as they directly feed the propaganda to X and related.
Yeah I know, just reporting what the "officials" say.
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This man is great.Putin's man announces that Russia can attack NATO countries in Europe, including Romania, without warning:
Omul lui Putin anunță că Rusia poate ataca fără avertisment țări NATO din Europa, inclusiv România
Realizatorul TV rus Vladimir Soloviov, considerat propagandistul lui Putin, a avertizat că liderul de la Kremlin ar putea ordona lovituri asupra statelorspotmedia.ro
I love him.
Should be used as a motivator for those who feel depressed, stupid or inadequate.
It would really give a huge boost in self confidence to them.
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“Increases the risk they may eventually” this is why Russia thinks NATO are cowards
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Lmaooo
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Right on time for Romanian elections.
Remember all this rhetoric and escalations is not just about the response in the the US or Germany. It is the individual NATO nations.
Just as Putin is harmed by prolonging this war, so to can NATO be harmed.
Boiler plate US State Department policy be damned.
That is why I object to how the war has been supported by NATO. No plan, no decisive outcome. Just another muddled outcome that can leave us weaker than before.
Love Trump hate Trump
Love Biden hate Biden
Fight or don’t fight
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my thoughts are that people can stop speculating whether or not Americans are there or not….they are there. We (or any other country that has sent weapons systems there) are not going to send a weapons system there and just send the user manuals so they can learn it themselves. Someone has to show them how to use it correctly. But IMHO the systems we’ve sent including ranged misses will not make a difference to Putin. He’s gaining ground back and he’s got the power to take the entire country fairly quickly. He’s just not willing to do that if it’ll spark something bigger. I believe it’s time for Russia and Ukraine to really talk.
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Right he’s taken hundreds of thousands of casualties and lost ground since the peak amount of land they held but they’re definitely holding back
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And here you go;
Zelensky,
He told Sky News: "If we want to stop the hot phase of the war, we need to take under the Nato umbrella the territory of Ukraine that we have under our control.
"We need to do it fast. And then on the [occupied] territory of Ukraine, Ukraine can get them back in a diplomatic way."
Zelensky said it was key that Nato should "immediately" cover all of the land Kyiv controls, so Vladimir Putin does not use the peace to prepare for another invasion.
www.the-sun.com
news.sky.com
It will be spit in the face of Russia, but I see no path forward. Russia gets territory Ukraine gets treaty protection.
Not sure it nato would go for it. But something like what was done with Sweden and Finland the last, what 15 years. Station US UK Polish Norwegian units. Russias likely not going to mess with boarders if a handful of nato troops or all of nato is there.
Thoughts
Zelensky,
He told Sky News: "If we want to stop the hot phase of the war, we need to take under the Nato umbrella the territory of Ukraine that we have under our control.
"We need to do it fast. And then on the [occupied] territory of Ukraine, Ukraine can get them back in a diplomatic way."
Zelensky said it was key that Nato should "immediately" cover all of the land Kyiv controls, so Vladimir Putin does not use the peace to prepare for another invasion.
Zelensky 'prepared to end Ukraine War in exchange for Nato status'
VOLODYMYR Zelensky has revealed he’s prepared to sign a peace deal even if Russia doesn’t immediately return the land it occupies. The valiant Ukrainian president says that his country …
www.the-sun.com
Zelenskyy suggests 'hot phase' of Ukraine war could end in return for NATO membership if offered - even if seized land isn't returned immediately
The Ukrainian president told Sky News's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay NATO membership would have to be offered to unoccupied parts of the country in order to end the "hot phase of the war", as long as the NATO invitation itself recognises Ukraine's internationally recognised borders.
It will be spit in the face of Russia, but I see no path forward. Russia gets territory Ukraine gets treaty protection.
Not sure it nato would go for it. But something like what was done with Sweden and Finland the last, what 15 years. Station US UK Polish Norwegian units. Russias likely not going to mess with boarders if a handful of nato troops or all of nato is there.
Thoughts
NATO ain't going to do that.
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I am thinking they might after another Russian collapse, and I think thats why they talk about other peace solutions at the moment because they see that Russia might have reached its tipping point.
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Well like I said it might have to be US Polish Norwegians seperate from NATO.
Like the past US Military interoperability training with Finland prior to to Finland joining NATO.
Without it what ever possible treaty is established. Russia will likely soon start testing it.
And as I said Russia won’t like it.
But it’s that or continued war. Both sides have made opening statements on what’s on the table. Zelinski gave him the territory. Zelinski demands military protection.
Even with what Trump has said I don’t see anything else mutually workable.
And that is why I predict this war will not end soon. As well as likely escalate.
If I got a vote it would be a very hard no.And here you go;
Zelensky,
He told Sky News: "If we want to stop the hot phase of the war, we need to take under the Nato umbrella the territory of Ukraine that we have under our control.
"We need to do it fast. And then on the [occupied] territory of Ukraine, Ukraine can get them back in a diplomatic way."
Zelensky said it was key that Nato should "immediately" cover all of the land Kyiv controls, so Vladimir Putin does not use the peace to prepare for another invasion.
Zelensky 'prepared to end Ukraine War in exchange for Nato status'
VOLODYMYR Zelensky has revealed he’s prepared to sign a peace deal even if Russia doesn’t immediately return the land it occupies. The valiant Ukrainian president says that his country …
Zelenskyy suggests 'hot phase' of Ukraine war could end in return for NATO membership if offered - even if seized land isn't returned immediately
The Ukrainian president told Sky News's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay NATO membership would have to be offered to unoccupied parts of the country in order to end the "hot phase of the war", as long as the NATO invitation itself recognises Ukraine's internationally recognised borders.
It will be spit in the face of Russia, but I see no path forward. Russia gets territory Ukraine gets treaty protection.
Not sure it nato would go for it. But something like what was done with Sweden and Finland the last, what 15 years. Station US UK Polish Norwegian units. Russias likely not going to mess with boarders if a handful of nato troops or all of nato is there.
Thoughts
NATO is not just an insurance policy, it’s like minded, culturally similar nation that aid one another even in peace. By allowing Ukraine to join while at war would be like a insurance company writing a flood policy for a low elevation location with a named storm bearing down.
AKA: stupid
NATO is not a mutual suicide pact. Entering the war directly against Russia, in an area adjacent to Russia and several thousand miles from Conus is just asking for Armageddon.
Besides I’m quite happy bleeding Russia and fighting to the last North Korean. Keep killing them until they stop coming. This could take years. As long as no NATO troops (other than Special OPs) are on the ground I’m good. I do not want to see another fraking stop loss levied against National Guardsmen PFC Smith who is trying to finish school and serve his state or Spc Jones who has one week left on a 6 year enlistment waiting to start his college degree.
Especially if it’s a war of choice. Strict interpretation of choice. WW2 was a required war. Korea became a required war because we stationed troops there before the North attacked. That takes the US all the way to 9/11 and shitastan.
The rest are wars of Choice. Some are for very good reasons (like I need a better return on my HBR stocks) but still a choice. But a war with another Nuclear power? Thats a very stupid choice.
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Common sense. Rare nowadays. Ukraine ain't worth it. Never was. Nato obviously is aware aswell for yrs prior to conflict. Let Russia and nato spit at each other across the border. Really that is as far as it goes.
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Obviously Russian position shows strength regardless of Western opinions. Russia will not give up territory nor allow Ukraine to join nato.
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I should properly explain what I mean - Russia has set its economy to a war economy, pouring resources into making military stuff, this machinery/policy is really hard to pivot and will take years to revert. Even when the US stopped its production after ww2 the civil economy was slow, and with all these embargoes in place it will take longer. Although Russia military will rebuild, over a period of 2-5 years the civilians will truely begin to feel the consequences and thats where unrest will happen. Could Putin like Stalin survive? Maybe. Or will Russia collapse like the Soviet union?, I think the tipping point has been reached so there is a good chance ( 25%) with cease fire or peace, that it would happen.
And if that would happen, NATO will invite Ukraine, like they did to the other Eastern Nations in the 1990-2000s, while Russia tryes to find its footing again.
Putin might be in a position where he has to continue the war, but that will show his allies - that he is desperate and only trying to hold on his power.
And if that would happen, NATO will invite Ukraine, like they did to the other Eastern Nations in the 1990-2000s, while Russia tryes to find its footing again.
Putin might be in a position where he has to continue the war, but that will show his allies - that he is desperate and only trying to hold on his power.
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