JUST IN: After Trilateral Security talks, France, Germany, and Ukraine leaders call for Removal of all Russia troops from Ukraine border (Reuters)
Concern? Not yet. It might actually be the threat that is needed to get Russia and Ukraine to back down. Russia would have no worries going into Ukraine if he knew NATO would not get involved. Now that NATO has clearly indicated that they will get involved, this should give Putin a moment of pause.
Wait to see Russia's response to this statement before getting concerned.
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I'd say unless this is part of a coordinated effort to divide America's attention.Concern? Not yet. It might actually be the threat that is needed to get Russia and Ukraine to back down. Russia would have no worries going into Ukraine if he knew NATO would not get involved. Now that NATO has clearly indicated that they will get involved, this should give Putin a moment of pause.
Wait to see Russia's response to this statement before getting concerned.
The possibility that China and Russia have been coordinating efforts to make simultaneous moves on Ukraine and Taiwan has been discussed in this forum before. Its not conspiracy theory, and it's a theory that not only cannot be ruled out.I'd say unless this is part of a coordinated effort to divide America's attention.
I mean we are focusing a lot on Ukraine, which I feel is warranted but there's been some noise from China about Taiwan recently, more military movements, more threats towards Taiwan, more incursions into their airspace, not that that's surprising as it happens decently regularly but it seems to have ramped up as of late. Not trying to come off as a conspiracy theorist, but, I kind of feel like it's pretty obvious that Russia and China have similar goals and similar feelings about America. They both have lands that they feel entitled to in their parts of the world (Taiwan, at least part of if not all of Ukraine), they both are consistently opposed in their endeavors to spread their influence by America. They both know that America is pretty much the backbone of NATO in Europe, and whatever the Pacific version of that would be with Japan/South Korea/Australia, etc. And they both have consistently maintained moderate relationships with countries that we generally aren't too friendly with who would absolutely side against the US in the event of a World War (North Korea, Iran, Pakistan.)
Really truly not trying to be all conspiracy theory-ish, but I feel like if either country wanted the greatest amount of success in their plans, their best bet would be to coordinate their moves in such a way that the biggest threat to them, America, would at best (for them) have their attention divided, unable to solely focus on either front, and at worst (for one of them) focus completely on one front, which would allow the other side to essentially take what they wanted relatively unimpeded.
Maybe that's a huge stretch, but it just seems like too much of a coincidence, that at the same time this is occurring in Ukraine with Russia/Belarus, China is making similar noise in Taiwan, there was a cyber attack on Iran's nuclear program, Pakistan's very anti-France attitude to the point that France has advised their citizens to evacuate, and North Korea's weird silence though there's been speculation of China discussing reopening borders with North Korea". And the only reason I'm even mentioning Pakistan is they're another Nuclear power, clearly not a fan of either the US or India who is our big ally in Asia, and Russia has been trying to make nice with them in the last week or two.
Just feels like a combination of our biggest geo-political rivals are shoring up their defense, beginning to extend their influences, and make major moves all around the same time.
Feel free to tell me I'm nuts and prove me wrong folks, I'd rather this all just be a bunch of posturing and nothing major is in the works, just seems a bit unlikely that this is all just a coincidence. I'm not military, so perhaps I'm super off base here but that's totally what I would do if I had things I wanted and America was standing in my way.
It's a fair concern. You don't even have to look at it from a coordination POV: perhaps just an opportunity. Japan picked up some freebies in the Pacific once WW1 started. The odds of the German navy sailing past the Royal Navy, eluding the French navy, whipping around Cape Horn, and sailing another few thousand miles to contest some islands on Japan's home turf were less than zero, so they happily took advantage. Of course there is another dynamic there too. Perhaps individually the US might fold, say "what the hell, it's half a world away and right next to them". But both going down nearly simultaneously is probably too big a blow to swallow.Really truly not trying to be all conspiracy theory-ish, but I feel like if either country wanted the greatest amount of success in their plans, their best bet would be to coordinate their moves in such a way that the biggest threat to them, America, would at best (for them) have their attention divided, unable to solely focus on either front, and at worst (for one of them) focus completely on one front, which would allow the other side to essentially take what they wanted relatively unimpeded.
Before this page goes to Defcon 2, the Internet isOur intention is to keep the public educated and informed, not scared out of their wits every time a crisis erupts. This is definitely not a DEFCON 3 situation yet. I can make an argument for DEFCON 4, but I can also see the reasoning for remaining at DEFCON 5. We need the public to take our alerts seriously, which they will not do if we bump the alert level whenever a world leader gets an overdose of testosterone.
The advantage of our system is that if we ever hit DEFCON 2 or 1, you will know that we are not overreacting and it's time to duck and cover.
Having read some preview posts, I have to say that I am totaly agree with Defcon level 5, even if Russia intervenes. I have the impression that is not so clear that also a Defcon level 4, it is a very high level of risk. We are speking about a nuclear war: the end of the word as we imagine it! As to say something never happened. A level 4 it is meaning that a nuclear war is an actual possibility. Level 3 indicates that nuclear war is likely to happen. Level 2 is for a pretty sure nuclear war and level is just nuclear war time. Only level 5 is a stable position. At this moment, it is absosolutely clear that there are no risk of a nuclear war. And be sure: here, in Europe, if a a nuclear war were a real possibility, we were scared more for this, than for covid. If Defcon level were 4 or 3, this problem were more important than others.
May exolode a war in Ukraine? Yes, it can. Can this war shake European indolence? Maybe. But at this time, there is no risk of nuclear war. And that doesn't mean that the situation is not very important.
If war does break out between Ukraine and Russia, I think there will definitely be some more harsher sanctions and more lethal aid, at least from the US.
As long as the United States/NATO stay out of it, the chances for nuclear conflict is extremely low. Unless by some miracle Ukraine is in a position to recapture Crimea, which isn't going to happen unless the aforementioned Hell Freezing Over occurs.Maybe what might help is a war game scenario of what might need to occur for an raising of the defcon level.