Ukraine April 2021

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Silent

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Russia is building up its disinformation/propaganda offensive against Ukraine. The Russian MFA threatens the U.S. of the consequences of an "increasingly provocative and defiant line of Ukraine and its Western patrons, led by the U.S."

 

Silent

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Readiness checks will take place in ALL military districts including the Northern Fleet, the Kuril Islands and Kamchatka. All types and branches of troops will take part in them. #Russia

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This is actually a full mobilization of the Russian armed forces into combat readiness. Everything from sleepy Siberian depots and air force bases to nuclear submarines and the tank divisions. #Russia

 

Kushan

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Just to put it into a little bit of perspective before all the doom porn people show up, exercises on this scale aren't exactly unheard of.

NATO also has Defender Europe 21 coming up later this month but thats mostly in Germany and Southern Europe. More then likely this is a response to that along with the current Ukraine situation.
 

Silent

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Mobilization of the units of the Ukraine Territorial Defence Forces (reserve) in the region adjacent to the administrative border with occupied #Crimea, #Ukraine

 

CreepyMonkey

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Just to put it into a little bit of perspective before all the doom porn people show up, exercises on this scale aren't exactly unheard of.

NATO also has Defender Europe 21 coming up later this month but thats mostly in Germany and Southern Europe. More then likely this is a response to that along with the current Ukraine situation.
I think this actually signals that Russia is ready to launch it's attack. I think the only thing they're waiting on is an excuse. Donbas is the target but I'm sure if it proves easy enough all of Ukraine will disappear.

Poor Ukraine. Without nukes, it was always doomed.
 

Silent

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I called President
@ZelenskyyUa
to express serious concern about Russia’s military activities in and around Ukraine & ongoing ceasefire violations. #NATO firmly supports #Ukraine’s sovereignty & territorial integrity. We remain committed to our close partnership.

 

RiffRaff

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Just to put it into a little bit of perspective before all the doom porn people show up, exercises on this scale aren't exactly unheard of.

NATO also has Defender Europe 21 coming up later this month but thats mostly in Germany and Southern Europe. More then likely this is a response to that along with the current Ukraine situation.
The problem with regular exercises like this is they can be used to mask an actual military operation or they can be mistaken for an actual military operation. Anyone not already familiar with it should look up "Able Archer 1983" and see how an exercise almost led to a nuclear war.
 

Silent

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Russian army is moving heavy artillery in Bryansk Oblast near the border to Ukraine and Belarus northeast of Kyiv today.
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Update: Getting unconfirmed reports that Ukraine is calling up about 100,000 reservists for duty.

 
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Thorn

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Yeah, so Putin will invade Ukraine but that's not a concern for this Defcon Level here.
Russia could overrun Ukraine and maybe even conquer your country next but it all doesn't matter and will not change, a thing here.
As long as no nukes are used. Nobody cares. Period!
 

DEFCON Warning System

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Yeah, so Putin will invade Ukraine but that's not a concern for this Defcon Level here.
Russia could overrun Ukraine and maybe even conquer your country next but it all doesn't matter and will not change, a thing here.
As long as no nukes are used. Nobody cares. Period!
No one is saying that no one cares. tbh, I can't say that I know enough of the history of the region to say who is right. Does Russia actually have a legitimate claim to Crimea? I don't know.

Unfortunately, those are arguments for another section of the forum. In Military Events, we are only looking at what is happening and what may be driving participants to do what they do. The morality of it all...not so much because it won't change what is happening.

And then we narrow that down even more when we consider the focus of DEFCON. If a country is pointing nukes at you, does it really matter who has the better claim?

Yeah, Ukraine looks to be really getting the short end of it. Georgia, too. No one is going to stop Russia. The land they got is gone. Ukraine ain't getting Crimea back.

All we can do is look to see what is happening, and then make a guess as to what is going to happen next.

Just because it isn't going to go nuclear doesn't mean that no one cares. But I hope willingness to get my country vapourized isn't the requirement for someone to be on your side. It isn't selfishness to say I am not willing to trade Dallas for Kiev. (Though if someone wanted to lob a nuke onto San Fransisco, I may have a hard time showing sympathy.) But it also doesn't mean that I watch what is happening over in Ukraine with a yawn.
 

CreepyMonkey

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No one is saying that no one cares. tbh, I can't say that I know enough of the history of the region to say who is right. Does Russia actually have a legitimate claim to Crimea? I don't know.

Unfortunately, those are arguments for another section of the forum. In Military Events, we are only looking at what is happening and what may be driving participants to do what they do. The morality of it all...not so much because it won't change what is happening.

And then we narrow that down even more when we consider the focus of DEFCON. If a country is pointing nukes at you, does it really matter who has the better claim?

Yeah, Ukraine looks to be really getting the short end of it. Georgia, too. No one is going to stop Russia. The land they got is gone. Ukraine ain't getting Crimea back.

All we can do is look to see what is happening, and then make a guess as to what is going to happen next.

Just because it isn't going to go nuclear doesn't mean that no one cares. But I hope willingness to get my country vapourized isn't the requirement for someone to be on your side. It isn't selfishness to say I am not willing to trade Dallas for Kiev. (Though if someone wanted to lob a nuke onto San Fransisco, I may have a hard time showing sympathy.) But it also doesn't mean that I watch what is happening over in Ukraine with a yawn.
Honestly, it breaks my heart about Ukraine. Such a wonderful, beautiful country with a rich culture, and a very long history. However, I do not want the US and Russia to go head to head. It is almost inevitably going to go nuclear if they do, and that is something I hope no one wants. Thankfully this does not look like that kind of situation.

However, that doesn't lessen my compassion for Ukraine and her people. I care deeply and do not want to see them suffer.
 

Silent

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U.S FAA and Canada issue NOTAM due to threat of military activity in E. Ukraine, Crimea (via
@Xy5Z89
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Aid2

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Just my own opinion but I think we should drop to Defcon 4 if fighting between Ukraine and Russia starts
 
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Mooclear

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Just my own opinion but I think we should drop to Defcon 4 if fighting between Ukraine and Russia starts
Nah. Best to wait and see how much skin the Russian Federation and the West want to put in the game. The bad news is that if a downward spiral happens it will happen extremely fast. After all I went to bed on September 10th in a world that would completely evaporate in the eight hours I was asleep.
 

Silent

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Update: NATO troops increase activity in Ukraine and in the Black Sea - Russian Foreign Ministry

Update: Russian spokeswoman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Maria Zakharova: "Moscow is recording an increase in the activity of the armed forces of NATO member states in Ukraine and in the Black Sea near the border with Russia.'

"This does not contribute to security in the region, the settlement of the conflict in Donbass and causes serious concern on the part of the Russian Federation."

 
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