United States of Russia?

[OReid]

Wonder what effect this will have on Ukraine and Baltics?

x.com

x.com

orshinko to Belarus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865085144094146742

This should indicate to one the state of Putin’s mind or gambit right now. Push and push hard before Biden is out.
Will be interesting.

The Baltics Finland Ukraine Poland and even Romania likely livid right not.
Will be interesting to see how nato responds.
Personally I think it’s a good excuse to sigh a defense treaty with Ukraine right fucking now.
But that won’t happen.

 

[Cilvilt_beredskap]

Wonder what effect this will have on Ukraine and Baltics?

x.com

x.com

orshinko to Belarus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865085144094146742

This should indicate to one the state of Putin’s mind or gambit right now. Push and push hard before Biden is out.
Will be interesting.

The Baltics Finland Ukraine Poland and even Romania likely livid right not.
Will be interesting to see how nato responds.
Personally I think it’s a good excuse to sigh a defense treaty with Ukraine right fucking now.
But that won’t happen.

They've already had nukes stationed there for some time, so I'm unsure how much of a reaction we would get.

 

[OReid]

They've already had nukes stationed there for some time, so I'm unsure how much of a reaction we would get.

Yes but not ballistic missiles with MIRV’s. Granted might not be much.
But this was the type of thing that the nuclear talks pivoted on in past decades.

 

[Cilvilt_beredskap]

Yes but not ballistic missiles with MIRV’s. Granted might not be much.
But this was the type of thing that the nuclear talks pivoted on in past decades.

Does Kaliningrad have MIRV-able ballistic missiles? Quite unsure if they do, but they definitely have nuclear capable ones that could reach most capitals in the Baltics and Nordics except for Oslo. When it comes to the security of Europe at least, MIRV-able ballistic weapons in the Western regions of Russia vs Belarus probably wouldn't do that much of a difference militarily. It's sure to be making Poland think it was a wise choice to get the AEGIS base up though.

 

[Citizen-21]

Why do people even give a fuck about any of this?
It's just stupid, and it's even more evident that the West and Putin are on the same side and playing this game of ruining the region together. Oreshnik is just a sawn -off version of missiles we had for decades, it's nothing exactly new, like, at all. It's just the first time people seen how this works on camera, yet leaders up there are pushing this shiny footage to worsen the situation and escalate.
Votkinskiy factory can produce about 30 ICBMs per year for Russia at best, with majority of production turned to Iskander instead. And Putin switched to production of these nerfed rockets to threaten Europe instead U.S. and supposedly fired whole 6 upon a useless target - Putin is a traitor to this country, because it's a clear sabotage and nuclear disarmament of Russia served to a dumb populace under the guise of a "gesture of resolve", while he pleases the United States who still pay him for his loyal service.

 

[DarkNoon]

West and Putin are on the same side

Lmao, telegram channel slow today?

 

[OReid]

As I said the MIRV is a difference. Sure it’s decades old technology. But it’s also been on the back burner because of the START treaties.
So that is why it’s potentially relevant
After all it is not the US that has deployed MIRV’s back into forward deployed positions directly adjacent to Russia. So I guess if one was to become frustrated because of stupid irresponsible actions Putin’s the cat’s meow.

 

[Bravo]

Does Kaliningrad have MIRV-able ballistic missiles? Quite unsure if they do, but they definitely have nuclear capable ones that could reach most capitals in the Baltics and Nordics except for Oslo. When it comes to the security of Europe at least, MIRV-able ballistic weapons in the Western regions of Russia vs Belarus probably wouldn't do that much of a difference militarily. It's sure to be making Poland think it was a wise choice to get the AEGIS base up though.

Islander M and Toshka TELs. Not directly MIRVable but a constant threat.

 

[OReid]

Islander M and Toshka TELs. Not directly MIRVable but a constant threat.

Thanks for the clarification about the Iskander’s not being MIRV.

 

[Citizen-21]

After all it is not the not the US that has deployed MIRV’s back into forward deployed positions directly adjacent to Russia.

This is exactly why US keeps it's nuclear striking power mobile, in shape of Ohio-class submarines which can be anywhere at any moment without facing any diplomatic consequences nor alert anybody.
US relies upon the first strike made by Ohios to collapse target country immediately without facing a retaliation strike, and so far Putin does everything in his power to make that possible for them to complete, while China is resilient against such an attack which frustrates them immensely.
If Russia wouldn't be potentially useful as it is for U.S. in a WW3 against China, Putin and U.S. would have destroyed Russia long ago, but U.S. will never use a nuclear weapon first, unless Russia takes the role of global evil upon itself and shoot one somewhere off, just to keep U.S. hands clean.

 

[OReid]

This is exactly why US keeps it's nuclear striking power mobile, in shape of Ohio-class submarines which can be anywhere at any moment without facing any diplomatic consequences nor alert anybody.
US relies upon the first strike made by Ohios to collapse target country immediately without facing a retaliation strike, and so far Putin does everything in his power to make that possible for them to complete, while China is resilient against such an attack which frustrates them immensely.
If Russia wouldn't be potentially useful as it is for U.S. in a WW3 against China, Putin and U.S. would have destroyed Russia long ago, but U.S. will never use a nuclear weapon first, unless Russia takes the role of global evil upon itself and shoot one somewhere off, just to keep U.S. hands clean.

Russia claims ohios primarly first strike. Which obviously they could be used as such. The US primarily views the Ohios as second strike deterrent, which is also valid.
Both arguments can be made about the Borei class subs Russia has.
As far as Putin in collusion with the US in some nefarious manner.

I get your frustration in general. I as well am frustrated for likely different reasons but not exclusively.
This war in Ukraine has not gone well for anyone involved except of course those obscure individuals or organizations that always find ways profit from war.

It could and should have been avoided but both sides in the lead up have failed in this

 

[DarkNoon]

This war in Ukraine has not gone well for anyone

Every dollar spent by Congress going to Ukraine weapons was worth every penny setting Russia back and making them look like absolute clowns. Only side it's going bad for is Russia. We have set back Russia. That was the goal all along imo. We did that.

Besides setting them back militarily but economic too, just look at the Rubel right now. Worthless, literally hitting rock bottom. The dollar? Stronger then ever.

 

[DarkNoon]

It could and should have been avoided

No Putin has always had his sights in cosplaying the Soviet Union and expanding Russian borders. Putin was going to try and take Ukraine regardless to restore whatever perverted idea of glory he has for Russia.

As they say, sucks to be country that borders Russia. It was Russian decision and theirs alone to launch a full scale, UNPROVOKED, unwarranted, and pointless invasion of their neighbor.

Hope it was worth sacrificing a entire generation for literally nothing. All those Russians dying, for nothing. Hope they continue to reep the rewards of enabling a manic, reckless, out of control, unchecked, bag of dicks dictator.

 

[DarkNoon]

No Putin has always had his sights in cosplaying the Soviet Union and expanding Russian borders.

Russia is not, never has been, and never will be the equivalent of the Soviet Union.

Thank you for listening to our TED talk

 

[OReid]

Every dollar spent by Congress going to Ukraine weapons was worth every penny setting Russia back and making them look like absolute clowns. Only side it's going bad for is Russia. We have set back Russia. That was the goal all along imo. We did that. Just look at the Rubel right now. Worthless. The dollar? Stronger then ever.

Yeah it’s too bad it could not have been avoided. What does it serve to punish a nation that was already economically and militarily inferior.

Remember I’m not arguing we should not have supported Ukraine.
But if your motivation to help Ukraine fight for their continued independence was all just to bleed Russia. Then that’s a hollow cause considering the loss of life. And only goes to validate the popular argument of forever wars.

So the Ruble is down, I’d trade parity in the FX market, no war to start with, and not 34 trillion in debt.
Our forever wars that were supposed to liberate the world in 2001 our debt to gdp ratio was 55%, in 2023 it was 122%.
Yes the reserve market position changes the parameters for national debt. But one of those requirements is international faith, use and circulation of the dollar.
Have we improved the conditions for strength and stability of the dollar. I don’t see the world better off in that regard now than 24 years ago.

 

[DarkNoon]

But if your motivation to help Ukraine fight for their continued independence was all just to bleed Russia. Then that’s a hollow cause considering the loss of life. And only goes to validate the popular argument of forever wars.

No and no.

The motive was not just to bleed Russia. The point was to show Russia we will not tolerate their pointless wars of aggression particularly or more so in Europe & of course preserve Ukraine independence which we did, Ukraine still here are they not?

Bleeding them was just the cherry ontop all along the way or to give Russia consequences for their reckless actions in Europe to look at it another way.

 

[DarkNoon]

I do not look at the Ukraine war as a failure. Could we have done more? Yes. But in the end Ukraine & its independence is still here, Russia was set back quite a bit militarily & economically, we have shown how weak the condition is of the Russian military, and made their threats null, laughable at best.

All in all. Positive outcomes besides the hundreds of thousands who have died all because of Putins pointless war of aggression to restore whatever perverted idea of Russian glory he has for Russia.

 

[Cilvilt_beredskap]

The entire Finno-Soviet war wasn't exactly considered a failure by neither side even though the aim of the Soviets from the start was to make them a puppet state. Sound familiar?

Of course people will die and the war has indeed caused suffering on mainly Ukraine's civilian population, but the Ukrainians see it as a success if they are allowed to keep their state and culture if Russia won't be a threat to them. The alternative to that was obvious from the start. This kind of war should be dissuaded and deterred as much as possible, since it's not a war where the two sides have a certain "respect" in so much as that the laws of war are obeyed at least the majority of the time. Instead it's a war about the domination and low-intensity eradication of a culture viewed as "fake", meaning that the argument would be that if the culture isn't real to begin with then no cultural eradication is happening, or if it is real it is inferior. People tend to forget that when they call the US imperialist it's mainly "cultural imperialism" through trade, diplomacy, and culture. Most of the actual real imperialism has been in the past. Russia, on the other hand, is acting like any old 18th-19th century great power with classic imperialism involving superiority complex, might makes right, and a view of a "mission" to be a "civilizing force"

 

[DarkNoon]

Yes YingYang it is funny how Russia has totally made a entire ass hat of itself only souly because of Putins piss poor actions and his little "three day operation". Can't even defend their allies right now, how Assad doing?

This is a superpower? One who can't even defend its own allies or secure its own borders but infact needs help securing their borders from DPRK. Extremely laughable indeed.

 

[Yingyang]

Yes YingYang it is funny how Russia has totally made a entire ass hat of itself only souly because of Putins piss poor actions and his little "three day operation". Can't even defend their allies right now, how Assad doing?

This is a superpower? One who can't even defend its own allies or secure its own borders but infact needs help securing their borders from DPRK. Extremely laughable indeed.

Really ! You again
What you assume and speculate is all the entertainment.