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US State Rights & Federal Tax Redistribution
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From the 2000 census? 25years old???Why do you think they want a return to the golden days? Southern states have been letting their poverty eat them from the inside out. The shithole is already here, that's why people are so vicious for a scapegoat.
Here’s another thing you don’t understand or are unwilling to accept. People who live in rural areas know they have reduced incomes compared to the rest of the nation as a whole.
They accept that either because location is of more value than wealth. And also $17473 ( the poverty rate cited in this paper from 1999 is not adjusted for state or region. X amount in Alabama will go a lot farther than in California or Maryland.
So the paper on where shithole places there are to live is not accurate or honest in meaningful terms.
As far as scapegoating, I’ve seen as much scapegoating in this post as what the post tried to imply of others
....sigh. where does the time go.
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Patches of poverty do not a shithole country make. There's poverty in every country; even in places like Dubai and Switzerland.Why do you think they want a return to the golden days? Southern states have been letting their poverty eat them from the inside out. The shithole is already here, that's why people are so vicious for a scapegoat.
It's about more than economic wealth. People tend to want to immigrate to countries where they don't have to look over their shoulder to check if they're not being followed. Where residents don't suddenly disappear into the night, or end up in prison on fake charges. Where riot police doesn't roam the streets upholding "order". Where you don't suddenly lose your job because your uncle said something bad about the Great Leader. Where the state doesn't shine a flashlight in your face to check whether you're properly mourning some dead fascist ideologue.
That's the difference between nice countries and shitholes.
I predict a continued downturn in immigration into the US (illegal or otherwise) - for reasons stated above. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised to see the migration balance dip below zero as the more reasonable people flee for places like Canada and Europe (and even China - check out this story on your ongoing brain drain).
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Eh sure I agree with the sentiment. I disagree with your assessment that poverty doesn't make a country a shithole. Our country runs on poverty. (And is a pretty big shithole in some areas because of this)
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Poverty is a natural part of human existence, from the tribal hunter gathers to today.
It is an unfortunate and largely implacable fixture of human existence and survival.
It does not matter if it’s a small tribal group or modern nation state. Some will always do better and some will always do worse.
That is not to say we should ignore it or do nothing. But the reality is. In order to get out of poverty. Those in poverty must be willing to do what they must do in order to survive.
So no matter what a culture or nation does to eradicate poverty, it cannot happen without those in poverty doing their part.
How do you measure poverty in a nation. Do you simply measure it against the wealthy in that particular nation.
Or do you measure it against poverty of the world.
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While I agree with you premise. It can be used to excuse unnecessary corporate greed. But look at me breaking my own rules on talking politics...
You are right. However... like everything. It can be twisted for nefarious purposes.
Obviously everyone cannot own a private jet or a private island. Duh. There is not 8 billion private jets or let alone 8 billion islands on earth.
How about we say life is hard. But greedy entities in life make it harder than it should be?
Don't get me wrong, life has no meaning without a challenge or a challenge to do better or make the world better, how else do we get progress?But that challenge IMHO is made far worse than it needs to be due to corruption, corporate greed, and politicians only working for corporations and not the people.
This is a problem EVERYWHERE. Not just USA. And all sides of all political spectrums everywhere is guilty of this.
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All true and poverty and the impediments placed on people making it harder than it should to rise out of it.While I agree with you premise. It can be used to excuse unnecessary corporate greed. But look at me breaking my own rules on talking politics...
You are right. However... like everything. It can be twisted for nefarious purposes.
How about we say life is hard. But greedy entities in life make it harder than it should be?
But that challenge imo is made far worse than it needs to be due to corruption, corporate greed, and politicians only working for corporations and not the people.
This is a problem EVERYWHERE. Not just USA.
Yes there is poverty in the US, the US has also tried a great many things it help people out of it.
So I find it distasteful to imply the US hasn’t tried to diminish poverty. Can and should we always do more? Well duh! Absolutely. But to imply the US hasn’t tried different things to diminish poverty, or is somehow encouraging it is unfair. In light of what real poverty looks like in the world at large.
I’ve seen street orphans in Bogata run through a crowd to pick a pocket or knock an ice cream cone out of other child’s hand. Then sweep back in to pick it up off the street. Then to fight and beat the child who got there first to, and eat it before it melts.
Or men going to garbage dumps to shoot the orphans who are picking through the trash. Like sport shooting wild dogs.
Life is fucking mean, meaner in some places than others.
My daughter told me in her junior year of college she relized we were poor. And we were poor, but we didn’t live like we were poor. We got up every day and did what needed to be done. Now she has her masters and is a librarian at metropolitan library.
WANT TO NOTE: Capitalism works, and it won. IF you cash a paycheck, you’re participating in (and benefiting from) capitalism.
Every modern economy, including those calling itself “communist” runs on market incentives to survive.
That’s why capitalism is the only system that consistently delivers jobs, innovation, and rising living standards.
Every modern economy, including those calling itself “communist” runs on market incentives to survive.
That’s why capitalism is the only system that consistently delivers jobs, innovation, and rising living standards.
You raise really good points sir.
Man... this is hitting me... as I see it everyday. I monitor EVERYTHING, across the globe from moment I wake up until moment I go to bed. A squirrel cannot sneeze without notifying me first for cripes sake.
The things I see, the things I read, the things I hear... Trust me... I count my blessings. More than ever.... I am blessed to be born where I am and whom I am. And I use to thank 'my stars' for that. But lately I have been 'thanking god'... but that's a off topic personal story....
Take a break. We should be good for a couple of days.
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No one said it should be easy to manage and evolve a country. Capitalism in its pure form works. But for it to work there has to be support systems in place. In the past it used to be the churches. Many point to the failures of the churches, and there were some. Just as there are failures in the Child and Protective service agency’s. We’ve all read of the failures and abuses there.
So we fix them and move on. We don’t use them as excuses to turn a nation on its head.
Ive said this before. Much of these issues are better addressed by the individual states. There will be success and failures. We can learn and correct those failure. When we institute nation wide programs the failures magnified X50.
Self government is very much like capitalism. What works rises to the top, the consumers / citizens see what work in other states and demand they’re states to change.
Federal monies going to subsidies states end up propping up failed programs and state management of there state.
I live in a state with high property taxes income and sales taxes. Yet we have one of the highest debt burdens in nation.
It needs to fail.
I believe the nation needs to have a serious talk about monopolies. Not just in corporate business but in Governmental Monopolies.
I always find it strange to hear people rail about corporate greed and monopolies. Yet so often the solution is to demand the government expand its monopolistic control of the nation.
Like elected politicians and bureaucrats are somehow immune to the lust of power and control.
What can the Federal department of education do that any state department of education can’t do? It can exert monopolistic control of the education system. It’s only 46 years old give or take. Yet we regard it like it’s been around since the founding and schools would collapse if it was gone.
Look what happened during covid. Some states forced small business to close down yet somehow the Walmarts and Amazons were some how immune to the spread of covid. That was a perfect example of two monopolistic systems working in concert with each other. And it wasn’t because of necessity or risk factors, it was because of concentrated power and influence.
Gov is not the good old Uncle Sam looking out for the needs of the poor.
Government is a human entity and should always know their place is always at risk of being taken away.
It’s funny FDR said that unionizing the federal work force should never happen. Even thou he supported private unions. Why is that, government workers should never forget they serve at the pleasure of the voter and their elected representatives. What we have now are a secular class of Scribes and Pharisees.
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Greed and self preservation, its no different than hunters and farmers protecting their hunting grounds and farms.Greed, for lack of a better word…
Modern society has forgotten that life is about struggle and competition. We might dress it up in civil terms but the motivations never change. The local mayor wanted to put a campaign sign on a piece of property i had for sale. I said sure. 10 months later a job opened with the city and i called that chit in. Did it guarantee me the job, I don’t know. But Im sure it got my application noticed.
I was just saying... see a lot of bad shit. Everyday. An that I understand all to well life is mean. Just uh, was self reflecting, counting my blessings as I read/see everyday, it can be much, much, much worse for me. I am lucky to be born where I am and whom I am.
I forgot about that. And the point is valid.
Its the funding. Some states are poor and cannot alone support their health and education system/infrastructure.
While I agree about state rights. Its not right to let a state default on its health and education. Kids have to go to school and grandma needs her heart checkup.
Why federal government takes taxes from richer states and redistribution of said taxes to poor states. Mostly for economic development of the said state, but also for programs such as school and health.
While I agree states should have more freedom to do what they wish. Unfortunately federal tax redistribution is needed and no workaround really.
....And because some states need aid. As always... aid/help comes with stipulations. Therefore those rights are limited as its not their money, so they don't get to decide what to or how to do with the cashola.
Want to note I am not arguing against you @Fascist lite. Just laying out the reality states face and the seemingly rock and hard place they find themselves in with the federal governments check-book.
Suppose the only way to fix this is to develop the poorer states in a stable and sustainable way so they don't need aid anymore. If states don't need the federal government checkbook to survive. Then they don't have to follow the rules or stipulations that come from taking money from the federal government.