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USDA Could cut off Food-Stamps

Emphatic_apparatek

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A government shutdown Oct. 1 could immediately suspend or delay food stamp payments to some of the 46 million Americans who receive the food aid.

The Agriculture Department said Tuesday that it will stop providing benefits at the beginning of October if Congress does not pass legislation to keep government agencies open.

http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2015/09/22/government-shutdown-could-cut-off-food-stamps-n2055605

This could end badly if there is a government shut-down. Imagine 46 million people who rely on food stamps, monthly, all of a sudden not being able to get their groceries. Talk about a situation rife with the possibility of wide-spread rioting/looting. Hopefully our stupid politicians figure something out to avoid a shut-down or this could get very ugly.
 
I don't think it's ever happened before, aside from computer glitches which were very temporary (just 6 hours and isolated looting began). The reason previous shutdowns didn't affect food stamps is because in the past the USDA had reserve funds, they were able to continue issuing benefits even after they lost their funding for a while. Luckily, the reserve didn't run out before congress kicked the can down the road. Kind of makes you wonder why the USDA no longer has this cash reserve. They always did before during all the previous shutdowns, and there were quite a few in history.

I see people calling food stamp users lazy and all kinds of things on other forums. Many do abuse the system, that's a fact. However, many families struggle to buy food, and many of those go to work every day and still have to rely on food stamps. I guess it's one of those positions one has to be in to understand. In the past decade, the price of everything has gone up except the price of labor. Jobs are also few and far between now. Sure they tell us the economy is getting better, but from where I'm standing, it clearly isn't. Something they also don't consider is that while some still have their jobs, thier working hours have been cut. So they are working, but not making as much as they used to. The politicians are really to blame for much of this for favoring corporations that back them.

Excluding those that abuse the system, the food stamp program is the only way legitimate famlies can eat, including those that work their tails off to make ends meet. Many are disabled and simply can't work. Heck, you can't even hunt, fish or even grow food (in some places) without being able to afford a permit and following a bunch of regulations. If you utilize your land for farming then you'll see in increase in your property tax. Government doesn't exactly make it easy to survive for people who don't make a lot of money. Then they complain over the obesity problem, when a burger costs a dollar and a salad costs $7, fruit juice is $5 while a soda also costs a dollar.

Can this cause riots? Sure it can, history recorded riots over smaller things, and food is a pretty powerful need when one doesn't have it, its one thing we really take for granted. Not long ago the EBT system went down for just a few hours, and it resulted in turmoil. That was an isolated case as well. Imagine 46 million people losing their benefits at a time when they are likely low on food since the benefits generally only supply food for a month, meaning they'll likely run out of food a day or two before the benefits stop. People do desperate things when they are hungry, especially when they have kids to feed. Even the most moral people will have to do something to feed their family. I don't even think recipients are being warned that their food supply may suddenly stop in the next few days.

Something that I don't see talked about is the affect this can have on the economy. Let's say the average benefit amount is $800 a month for a family, which should be pretty close give or take a few bucks. Multiply that times $46 million, that means US business will lose $36,800,000,000 in food sells in just one month.

Food is a very basic resource necessary for survival, you take that away from 46 million people at one time, and you have major problems, that is nearly 20% of the entire country in fear of starving at once. We are just nine days away from Anarchy at that point, probably not that even long. When people start getting hungry, and start hearing thier kid's stomaches growling, they're going to do what is necessary to stay alive, even if this means lying, cheating, stealing and even killing. People basically revert back to our natural instincts. Before you know it, it's a civil war or a revolution. I'm not sure which would be worst. Many think this can't happen in America, I beg to differ.

Those that abuse the system are to blame, but also it is the Government to blame for meddling with the economy in favor of big corporations to the point of forcing people to rely on this program. Now, we have a group of politicians using the poor (once again) to get what they want. Politics at its worst.
 
JohnStone said:
I don't think it's ever happened before, aside from computer glitches which were very temporary (just 6 hours and isolated looting began). The reason previous shutdowns didn't affect food stamps is because in the past the USDA had reserve funds, they were able to continue issuing benefits even after they lost their funding for a while. Luckily, the reserve didn't run out before congress kicked the can down the road. Kind of makes you wonder why the USDA no longer has this cash reserve. They always did before during all the previous shutdowns, and there were quite a few in history.

I see people calling food stamp users lazy and all kinds of things on other forums. Many do abuse the system, that's a fact. However, many families struggle to buy food, and many of those go to work every day and still have to rely on food stamps. I guess it's one of those positions one has to be in to understand. In the past decade, the price of everything has gone up except the price of labor. Jobs are also few and far between now. Sure they tell us the economy is getting better, but from where I'm standing, it clearly isn't. Something they also don't consider is that while some still have their jobs, thier working hours have been cut. So they are working, but not making as much as they used to. The politicians are really to blame for much of this for favoring corporations that back them.

Excluding those that abuse the system, the food stamp program is the only way legitimate famlies can eat, including those that work their tails off to make ends meet. Many are disabled and simply can't work. Heck, you can't even hunt, fish or even grow food (in some places) without being able to afford a permit and following a bunch of regulations. If you utilize your land for farming then you'll see in increase in your property tax. Government doesn't exactly make it easy to survive for people who don't make a lot of money. Then they complain over the obesity problem, when a burger costs a dollar and a salad costs $7, fruit juice is $5 while a soda also costs a dollar.

Can this cause riots? Sure it can, history recorded riots over smaller things, and food is a pretty powerful need when one doesn't have it, its one thing we really take for granted. Not long ago the EBT system went down for just a few hours, and it resulted in turmoil. That was an isolated case as well. Imagine 46 million people losing their benefits at a time when they are likely low on food since the benefits generally only supply food for a month, meaning they'll likely run out of food a day or two before the benefits stop. People do desperate things when they are hungry, especially when they have kids to feed. Even the most moral people will have to do something to feed their family. I don't even think recipients are being warned that their food supply may suddenly stop in the next few days.

Something that I don't see talked about is the affect this can have on the economy. Let's say the average benefit amount is $800 a month for a family, which should be pretty close give or take a few bucks. Multiply that times $46 million, that means US business will lose $36,800,000,000 in food sells in just one month.

Food is a very basic resource necessary for survival, you take that away from 46 million people at one time, and you have major problems, that is nearly 20% of the entire country in fear of starving at once. We are just nine days away from Anarchy at that point, probably not that even long. When people start getting hungry, and start hearing thier kid's stomaches growling, they're going to do what is necessary to stay alive, even if this means lying, cheating, stealing and even killing. People basically revert back to our natural instincts. Before you know it, it's a civil war or a revolution. I'm not sure which would be worst. Many think this can't happen in America, I beg to differ.

Those that abuse the system are to blame, but also it is the Government to blame for meddling with the economy in favor of big corporations to the point of forcing people to rely on this program. Now, we have a group of politicians using the poor (once again) to get what they want. Politics at its worst.


This is exactly what I was going to say, but I'm too lazy and only have 1 good hand at the moment(suffered a gunshot wound to my left hand 2 months ago) So, typing is kind of a pain in the ass right now. I've had to rely on foodstamps in the past, and you're right, most of us that have relied, or do rely, on foodstamps are hard working people just trying to make ends meet. The cost of groceries is ridiculous. When I go to the grocery store and spend $100 I usually only walk out with 2 or 3 bags. If the benefits get cut off we can positively expect massive rioting and looting, there's no question in my mind about it. Since the government is dead set on making it illegal to live off-grid, and to provide for ourselves, there really isn't much people can do on their own to try to survive and be self-reliant. Hell, a lot of states have made it illegal to catch rain water on your own property! Our current system NEEDS to come crashing down so that we can start over.
 
I hate to say it, but you make a good point. Oh, and a nearby town does make it illegal to collect rainwater to support your claim. I don't understand why, it's bound to be in favor of the utility companies.

The government is totally corrupt, at least most of it, they are supposed to care for america, but only care about themselves. If there would be any good thing in a breakdown despite all the downsides, the chance to start over would be it. When I get a computer that is so infected with viruses that simply running antivirus is not an option, I backup important files, and then I format (erase) it, restoring it to new condition and then reinstalling apps as needed. Could be what America needs right now because sometimes something can become such a mess, it's easier to rebuild it than it is to try to fix it. Sad but true. Not saying I want a revolution or anything because I value American lives and many might be lost in that scenario, just saying it would likely be the only good thing that might come following a breakdown of society. Of course, it could go the other way too, as we've seen (and caused) in multiple countries such as Iraq, so not worth the risk.

Short of that, what we really need is real leaders who aren't owned by big business, which I don't see happening anytime soon. When Wall street was suffering because of their own greedy mistakes, it may have been better had we not bailed them out. They caused it, they made their bed so they should have laid in it. Sure it would have been tough for a bit, but after, mom and pop businesses that they killed off would start popping up again, resulting in a booming economy.

For a free country (lol), we have more laws than any other nation, more people in jail than any other nation. Most of the laws favor the wealthy over the poor and middle class. Sometimes I feel like we need to destroy all of the laws except the constitution, bill of rights and a few basic ones, and then start from scratch.
 
Emphatic_apparatek said:
only have 1 good hand at the moment(suffered a gunshot wound to my left hand 2 months ago)

Wait, who shot you? Off topic a bit, but dang, that's a big deal and can't exactly start a new topic on it.
 
JohnStone said:
Can this cause riots? Sure it can, history recorded riots over smaller things, and food is a pretty powerful need when one doesn't have it, its one thing we really take for granted. Not long ago the EBT system went down for just a few hours, and it resulted in turmoil. That was an isolated case as well. Imagine 46 million people losing their benefits at a time when they are likely low on food since the benefits generally only supply food for a month, meaning they'll likely run out of food a day or two before the benefits stop. People do desperate things when they are hungry, especially when they have kids to feed. Even the most moral people will have to do something to feed their family. I don't even think recipients are being warned that their food supply may suddenly stop in the next few days.

That's why DHS had a 'zombie apocalypse' training scenario way back when, and most agencies train on that template. Once they've looted everything they can find, the Golden Horde will leave to the rural areas in search of basic necessities. Until then, the cities will be a petri dish for social darwinism as roaming mobs burn everything to the ground looking for food and soda. And I'm sure there'll be plenty of rape too because....ain't no brakes on the rape train, not to mention the stress of 'social justice jihad' just really needs an outlet. So, a few Federal agencies have planned and stocked in advance for these hordes. I think they're clued into the fact that they may not be able to stabilize larger hot zones, so roof top helipads (like larger hospitals) become emergency HLZ's for evacuation of the affected, while leaving the rest behind. A good idea of what this looks like is in 28 Weeks later, and the unwinding process goes something like this:

We're in control
The problem arises, albeit small
We still think we're in control
The problem catches us by surprise
We respond to contain the problem
The problem rapidly expands beyond our control
Our counter measures weren't fast enough and we lose control
The problem overwhelms us
All measures have failed, pull up stakes and implement the nuclear option

After the cities were fire bombed, the remaining zombies headed to the rural areas in search of food, and the fight continued. This is why they use the Z-Pac template because it closely reflects human behavior and the mob mentality especially when faced with an existential crisis. And it all starts with food. If the food stamp program immediately shuts off, and you're in an urban area or metropolitan city, be ready to employ your bug out plan, 'cause it's gonna get ugly fast.
 
In a Sept. 18 letter to all state food stamp agencies, Food and Nutrition Service Administrator Audrey Rowe said, “Considering the operational issues and constraints that exist in automated systems, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their October issuance files and delay transmission to [EBT] vendors until further notice.”
About 45 million people currently depend on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program to help put food on the table.
“I spoke with Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack this afternoon and he very clearly said that there is not enough money in the SNAP contingency fund to prevent millions of Americans from going hungry should the government shutdown on Oct. 1,” Rep. Rosa DeLauro told POLITICO.


Looks like, if accurate, the order has been issued. Either an attempt to blackmail Congress, or just the numbers aren't there. Regardless, that leaves 3 work days to solve.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-agriculture/2015/09/usda-tells-states-that-food-stamp-funds-might-not-come-in-october-gmo-corn-soy-and-cotton-await-chinas-approval-havana-holds-the-keys-to-cuba-reform-210350#ixzz3mrWD0i1f
 
More like, another tactic to hold the Republican party hostage to fund Planned Murderhood, "or else de gubmint won't be funded and we's all gonna die!" We go through this....every year? Even though the government won't shut down, just certain parts. Try explaining that to someone who's head is filled with Democrat hysteria. As always, they'll kick the can, the government gets 'funded', and life for the rest of us continues on until the next 'government shutdown'. On the flip side, if they wanted to destabilize the country, shutting of the spigot to 'free money' would be a damn good start.
 
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