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What are your preconditions to evacuate pior to SHTF crisis?

Some say that even computerized cars will start after the EMP effect wears off. Older, non-computerized cars (good luck finding those these days) will work.
A lot of this is dependent on distance and angle from the EMP source, but there are basically four possibilities with modern cars being exposed to an EMP, in order of probability:

1: No effect whatsoever
2: The car dies initially but is able to be restarted with no repairs
3: Minor damage to non-critical electronics (radio, GPS, etc.), but the car still runs, or can be restarted by disconnecting the battery for a few minutes
4: Major damage requiring replacement of parts or electrical components for the car to start and run properly

The huge advantage with vehicles is they will not be exposed to the most damaging component of the EMP, which is the E3. This is the one that will take down the power grid and destroy any electronics plugged in when it hits. Vehicles are susceptible to the E2 component of an EMP, which is much more similar to a lightning strike than the E3.

(I'm referring to traditional fossil fuel vehicles. Electric vehicles that are plugged in to a charger will probably be destroyed by an EMP.)
 
Wow sounds like a lot of people here might not make it in WWIII. I fully intend on being far out in the ocean blue before the bombs drop, and if one does explode in combat unexpected can evac and get out to a rather pretty far safe distance from the Tampa Bay in short amount of time on the sea. My ship, she may be large, but also fast just for this purpose.
I think it can be taken for granted that a lot will not survive as things might just unravel too fast to allow effective bug out actions to be taken. I think if you can see things going bad the sooner you react the higher your survival chances. The other problem is you might survive the initial event but the long term might be a totally different beast to survive.
 
I think it can be taken for granted that a lot will not survive as things might just unravel too fast to allow effective bug out actions to be taken. I think if you can see things going bad the sooner you react the higher your survival chances. The other problem is you might survive the initial event but the long term might be a totally different beast to survive.
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Here's a serious question.
How long until store bought food available again safely.
My estimate 20 min-30 yrs after global nuclear war. Something people don't seriously consider.
Power -running water maybe 10-15 yrs with luck. And only in small limited areas.
Depends on your definition of "store-bought." If you're referring to mass-produced food that is shipped all over the country, then yeah, it's going to be a pretty long time. However, small communities could potentially have a 19th century-style "general store" with locally produced goods available for purchase within a couple of years. Currency would be worthless and bartering would be the new economic standard.

Pretty much the same thing for electricity and running water. Small communities might be able to set up a local power grid using wind, solar, or water for power generation. Water is not as big an issue since individual rainwater collection setups are fairly easy.

This is why I preach community-based plans for long-term survival after a nuclear exchange. This would work very well for small towns and villages, but would be harder to implement in cities. Once a community has established itself as self-sufficient and can defend itself from raiding parties, then establishing trade with other nearby communities would further enhance survival chances. If you live in Amish territory, make friends with them. They will be able to teach the rest of us about survival with little to no technology.
 
Depends on your definition of "store-bought." If you're referring to mass-produced food that is shipped all over the country, then yeah, it's going to be a pretty long time. However, small communities could potentially have a 19th century-style "general store" with locally produced goods available for purchase within a couple of years. Currency would be worthless and bartering would be the new economic standard.

Pretty much the same thing for electricity and running water. Small communities might be able to set up a local power grid using wind, solar, or water for power generation. Water is not as big an issue since individual rainwater collection setups are fairly easy.

This is why I preach community-based plans for long-term survival after a nuclear exchange. This would work very well for small towns and villages, but would be harder to implement in cities. Once a community has established itself as self-sufficient and can defend itself from raiding parties, then establishing trade with other nearby communities would further enhance survival chances. If you live in Amish territory, make friends with them. They will be able to teach the rest of us about survival with little to no technology.
Is that your best case scenario
Minus nuclear winter?
I would have thought reduction of sunlight would be enough in the northern hemisphere to wipe out plant life- livestock food resulting in death of whatever survived the radiation levels. In other words not only radiation levels on contaminated surfaces affecting ability to grow food for human consumption but livestock aswell ontop of the lack of sunlight through a nuclear winter. If a nuclear winter only lasted 6 months you would think the devastating effects from loss of ability to grow feed and food would =9 months minimum before plant life would have a chance to start recovering by which time livestock has died from natural causes,humans trying to survive, lack of safe food and water.
 
Is that your best case scenario
Minus nuclear winter?
I would have thought reduction of sunlight would be enough in the northern hemisphere to wipe out plant life- livestock food resulting in death of whatever survived the radiation levels. In other words not only radiation levels on contaminated surfaces affecting ability to grow food for human consumption but livestock aswell ontop of the lack of sunlight through a nuclear winter. If a nuclear winter only lasted 6 months you would think the devastating effects from loss of ability to grow feed and food would =9 months minimum before plant life would have a chance to start recovering by which time livestock has died from natural causes,humans trying to survive, lack of safe food and water.
There is some educated guesswork involved in this scenario, yes. Some areas will get hit harder than others; some areas will barely be affected at all, except for loss of modern conveniences. The scale of the exchange will have a huge impact on survivability. How many missiles and warheads get intercepted? How many malfunction and don't detonate? How many miss their targets? Weather conditions at individual impact points will greatly influence thermal pulse effects and any fallout. The sheer number of these variables make it almost impossible to predict on a global scale with any accuracy, even with modern computer simulations.

Nuclear Winter was a theory proposed in the 1970s by well-meaning scientists such as Carl Sagan, a man who I greatly admired. However, their theory has largely been debunked for two reasons:

1: The computers they were using to model their simulations of climate change after a nuclear exchange were primitive, at best, and couldn't possibly take into account all the variables I mentioned above.
2: The nuclear weapons that were actively deployed in the 1970s are no longer deployed today, specifically the "city buster" warheads in the 5 megaton range or higher. The damage caused by these multimegaton weapons is what they used for data in their computer simulations. 21st century warhead yields are much, much smaller than when the Nuclear Winter theory was proposed and that reduces the amount of debris thrown into the atmosphere by explosions on an exponential scale. Ergo, the results of their simulations are no longer accurate.

Could there be localized climate impacts that affect the ability to grow crops in the short-term? Yes, that is absolutely possible. But analysts mostly agree that it won't be the global catastrophe predicted by Sagan et al.

Am I guilty of some optimism here? Perhaps. But I would rather prepare for the best-case scenario and be wrong than not prepare at all and be wrong. My wife and I have last-resort plans if we determine that a nuclear war is not survivable. This should be a part of everyone's preps, just in case.
 
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