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DEFCON 4 | Europe Crisis | December 2021

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alphaecho said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1474295469245448196
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Not enough. Will the Ukraine be able to respond adequately and in time to Pentagon's intel? Do they have resources for that? You can have eyes to see, but no hands to respond. Will Russia tolerate US recon aircraft over their warzone?

rudemarine said:
I recently saw a news report of a lady who had to be near 50 training with her son to fight in the new civilian Militia. She said they have all had it with Russias crap and will fight to the last person should Putin order Russia to invade again. She seemed to be having a little fun just playing with the men but took it very seriously so she could be there for her son.
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RiffRaff said:
Ukrainian women are pretty tough. I wouldn't want to mess with an army of them.
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Excellent genocide plan executed. They will send eastern Ukrainian women at risk to be killed by their own people, that will please the eyes of western Ukraine radical ones.
 
NOT A REPORT, but posted here, because it is context for two posted reports. Therefore in spoilers.
krzepice1976 said:
Lets add this to see full scale problem
www.rt.com

Russia hits Google with record fine

The landmark legal decision comes amid a growing row over the US tech giant's failure to remove illegal material online.
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How Germany sidelines Serbia and international law by blocking RT DE

Berlin appears to be ready to go to great lengths in its crackdown on RT’s new 24-hour, German-language channel, including diminishing a major international treaty.
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Well, but this is propaganda (of course, it's RT....):
YouTube banned the "RT deutsch"-channel (the german language YouTube-channel of RT) and Russia claimed Germany did that - which is of course nonsense (as if the german government could tell Google what to do). Because in the past even criminal postings (like murder threats) couldn't be removed in a timely manner and it was an often enough futile attempt to get the IP adresses of people posting such stuff, Germany had the new "NetzDG" law in an attempt to put at least some attempt to remedy that problem - not that successful. But it shows how ridiculous Russia's claim is that Germany could force YouTube to block RT.deutsch when in fact Germany can't even get the IPs of people posting blantantly criminal content. Besides that: RTdeutsch broke YouTube's guidelines several times, every normal user would have been banned for that.
The regulatories regarding a normal TV-station that are cited in the linked RT article are nothing new or even invented to crack down on RT.deutsch - in fact those are very old. And in regards to broadcast licenses for TV stations they are really very, very, very lenient.

(And as a side note - what Russia did and does with its RT.deutsch channel is what nowadays is called a hybrid warfare method. If the "Olgino troll army" is the infantry, than RT.deutsch is the artillery. I have plenty of examples for that since I was engaged for several years in a loose group of people trying to correct misinformation in YouTube comments..)
 
www.ukrinform.net

Russia amasses about 52 battalion tactical groups near Ukraine’s border

As of today, there are about 52 battalion tactical groups of the Russian Armed Forces near Ukraine’s border and their number may increase. — Ukrinform.
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Turkey says it won't ignore principles and close ties with Ukraine "just because we have extensive relations with Russia," warning border row between Moscow and Kyiv has reached a "dangerous" level Ankara - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest n

Turkey says it won't ignore principles and close ties with Ukraine "just because we have extensive relations with Russia," warning border row between Moscow and Kyiv has reached a "dangerous" level. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site...
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Citizen-21 said:
Not enough. Will the Ukraine be able to respond adequately and in time to Pentagon's intel? Do they have resources for that? You can have eyes to see, but no hands to respond. Will Russia tolerate US recon aircraft over their warzone?



Excellent genocide plan executed. They will send eastern Ukrainian women at risk to be killed by their own people, that will please the eyes of western Ukraine radical ones.
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Well genocide isn’t usually listed as the cause of death if people are killed defending their own country.
You wouldn’t be implying Russia would be guilty of genocide for invading Ukraine and being responsible for those at risk women’s death would you.
As I remember in history a lot of brave civilian men and woman died defending Russia during WW2 from the Germans.
Or was Russia guilty of genocide for just not surrendering to Hitler?
 
Or was Russia guilty of genocide for just not surrendering to Hitler?
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Don't mix Russia with the Soviet Union. Without Stalin they had surrendered because of the high losses.
Russia has not even half the manpower of the Soviet Union and was defeated by Germany in WWI.
Russia knows that it can't defeat NATO in a conventional war because it is outnumbered and outgunned.
Russia is trying to deter NATO so they can invade Ukraine without major problems.
 
DucknCover said:
Russia knows that it can't defeat NATO in a conventional war because it is outnumbered and outgunned.
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This is incorrect. NATO plans realise that Russia would roll over them. Thus warplans are to dig in and hope Russia's military simply falls apart due to attrition and terrible hardware. Failing that, NATO falls back on tactical nuclear weapons.

NATO's plan was never to "beat" Russia in a conventional fight.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
This is incorrect. NATO plans realise that Russia would roll over them. Thus warplans are to dig in and hope Russia's military simply falls apart due to attrition and terrible hardware. Failing that, NATO falls back on tactical nuclear weapons.

NATO's plan was never to "beat" Russia in a conventional fight.
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I don't want to stray too far to discussion, but the other aspect of this is that those traditional plans assumed the fighting would be happening between the Rhine and the Vistula.....not hundreds and hundreds of miles further away from home. So the report above where Russia's foreign minister says all deployments in Ukraine are anti-Russia is pretty credible, because what the hell else would they be? The deployment of troops to a nonmember nation next door to them is going to be seen differently than the deployment of troops within a member nation two buffer states away. So the conventional task is both more difficult and more provocative.
 
MichaelH said:
home. So the report above where Russia's foreign minister says all deployments in Ukraine are anti-Russia is pretty credible, because what the hell else would they be? The deployment of troops to a nonmember nation next door to them is going to be seen differently than the deployment of troops within a member nation two buffer states away. So the conventional task is both more difficult and more provocative.
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That is assuming that nato troops presence in Ukraine is of a offensive purpose. That in itself is hard to justify in the current state. Other than old Ukrainian equipment nothing nato has provided or honestly could provide to Ukraine could be classified as offensive.
SF troops, javelin missiles, air support none of those things could even be laughably be considered as an invasion threat to russia
 
This is incorrect. NATO plans realise that Russia would roll over them.
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If you talk about the past, way before smart bombs exists it is true.
But there is no way that Russia would roll over them today because of the anti tank guided missiles, drones and surface to air missiles, alot of russian hardware would been taken out shortly.
If all those Russian tanks posed a threat, NATO had already launched an offensive.
NATO just told Russia to stop before this happens, still Russia didn't stop sending more tanks and that's why they have to reevaluate the situation.
 
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