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DEFCON 4 | Europe Crisis | December 2021

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Lincoln MFing Loud said:
BTW...check your sources, pal. ;)
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Checked. I think it's true. S.Lavrov was interviewed by Oslobodenje, which is a daily newspaper in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Formal reason: the 25th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Russia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Smatramo da je, prije svega, potrebno smanjiti stepen konfrontacije izazvane načinom na koji američke kolege “patroniziraju” svoje ukrajinske štićenike. Linija na uvlačenje Kijeva u NATO uz perspektivu za pojavu jurišnih raketnih sistema u blizini naših granica stvara neprihvatljive prijetnje sigurnosti Rusije, izazivajući ozbiljne vojne rizike za sve strane, sve do sukoba velikih razmjera u Evropi.
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Source: https://www.oslobodjenje.ba/dosjei/intervjui/sergej-lavrov-otkriva-zasto-rsuija-ne-priznaje-visokog-predstavnika-koga-gospodin-schmidt-zastupa-u-bih-719124
 
DucknCover said:
www.uawire.org

Russian Foreign Minister threatens Europe with big war over Ukraine

Ukraine's course to NATO membership could lead to a large-scale military conflict in Europe, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in an interview with the Bosnian newspaper Oslobodjenje. According to Lavrov, the degree of confrontation that has been reached is connected with how American...
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"The policy of drawing Kyiv into NATO and the possibility of strike missile systems appearing near our borders creates unacceptable threats to Russia's security, provoking serious military risks for all parties involved, up to a large-scale conflict in Europe," Lavrov warned.
direct quote from article, not much of a threat, nato knows this as well hence them not saying anything definitive about ukraine joining
 
DucknCover said:
If this is the source those are news of yesterday...
www.wionews.com

US Intel: Russia calls up for reservists for invasion in Ukraine

Tensions between Ukraine and Russia have been escalating for several years. Russia has been amassing troops near the Ukraine border, now there are concerns that Russia might invade Ukraine.
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This is from November?

We’re all aware of the reservists that we’re called up for the Ukraine posturing. Just FYI, check your sources as well. Some of these are untrustworthy.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
This is incorrect. NATO plans realise that Russia would roll over them. Thus warplans are to dig in and hope Russia's military simply falls apart due to attrition and terrible hardware. Failing that, NATO falls back on tactical nuclear weapons.

NATO's plan was never to "beat" Russia in a conventional fight.
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Nato has the advantage in air power. The real plan was knowing they couldn’t stop the Soviet Unions ten thousand plus tanks from pushing far past the Fulda gap however they hopefully could gain air dominance in a few days of extreme air battles which would allow NATO to start slaughtering the Soviet tanks and ground forces which would put them into a full retreat

NATO wouldn’t stop driving them back and as NATO got too close to the Russian border, Russia would detonate a nuclear weapon to stop the NATO ground forces or close to Britain as a warning shot but it would likely be interpreted as a direct challenge to a very furious NATO, would launch a full nuclear response upon Russia and Ukraine as that’s where all the heavy nukes were based at that time.

Today Russia would still be able to drive far into Europe if they could get all those tanks going but I personally don’t think they can get a third of them going fast enough as NATO air power would be all over them like stink on shat.

It’s the 400 backfire bombers that NATO needs worry about and to take out first thing because they can destroy a lot of vital targets in the outbreak of hostilities. Including most of our naval assets with their long range stupid fast cruise missiles.
 
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NATO has been watching Kaliningrad like a starving hawk. They won’t get away with much before they are covered in Tomahawks or 30,000 pound Jdams from B-2s.
 
rudemarine said:
NATO has been watching Kaliningrad like a starving hawk. They won’t get away with much before they are covered in Tomahawks or 30,000 pound Jdams from B-2s.
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Sake to say, Tver city is near Moscow.

As regards Kaliningrad region, nothing lasts forever, but how many hundreds (thousand/s?) of Tomahawks/JDAMs/JASM -ERs/AARGMs/JSOMs/even GBUs need to be used? Syrian ADF represented mainly by S-200 (assisted by Russians) dealt with like 71 out of 103 Tomahawks in 2018 (according to Russian data). And only part of the rest missiles hit the target. Here we speak about the 2nd most protected Russian city (after Moscow) represented by 3 regiments of S-300/S-400, 1 regiment of Тор-М2 and Pantsir, Baltic Fleet, with nuclear weapons in Kolosovka.

I think it''s not worth to discuss this scenario. If NATO will strike Kaliningrad, Russians will immediately strike all key runways in Europe with TNW. In less than 30 min, I think. In this way any further air superiority is doubtful. And we all will be in step from usage of strategic nuclear weapon.
 
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On December 22, at the permanent storage site of Ukrainian weapons, the OSCE SMM revealed that 59 Ukraine tanks has disappeared from storage facilities.
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According to observers from the OSCE, on December 25, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have withdrawn 83 tanks (28 - T64 and 55 - T72) from storage sites into the combat zones.
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This tank mobilization dynamic by Ukraine is rather concerning - they are disappearing from storage locations in quite significant numbers. Also, yesterday:
1640447018198.pngPPS-84 (Special Pontoon Park) - in service since the Soviet Army, relocated to the combat zone of the Ukraine Armed Forces.
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Along with the tanks Ukraine is mobilizing mobile bridges. Looks like a preparation for offensive configuration. What are they up to?
 
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