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Unsure what the sources are, but if this can be confirmed by multiple ones it has potential to be big, even if the SOF might just be there to train Ukrainians.
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UA-RU | April 10th-30th | DISCUSSIONS
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That happens when they want to kill you.
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It also happens when you want to kill them. There are no good guys in war; only those who are less evil.
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And the winner of the war gets to write the history, that's why the goodies always win in the end!
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I agree. Unfortunately sometimes you have to fight evil with evil. At a basic level people fight for the people that they have lived and trained with and when you see them killed or horribly maimed true hate grows in your heart. War is hell on earth.
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Unfortunately, I agree. Two of my personal philosophies:
1: Do not attempt to fight using rules your opponent is not going to use
2: I do not believe in the concept of "proportional response"
In a personal self-defense scenario, you put the opponent down fast and hard and you keep hurting them until they stop moving. I think war should be executed the exact same way.
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I agree. War is the most brutal thing humans do to each other. It's a shame and a stain on the human race. IMO
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one of the historic hallmarks of western warfare is maximum effort at the battlefield and at home needs to be concentrated to bring overwhelming force to the enemy and subdue them as violently and quickly as possible. Decisive victory must be the sole aim and purpose of the war effort.
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So did Austrailia to some degree. Also removed all Japanese and German Place names. Yesterday was ANZAC day in yesterday, a day of contemplation on loss and actions of war.
Internment of Japanese Americans - Wikipedia
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Canada has done it too.
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I could not agree more. Yet, some would argue that war is man's province.
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Somewhat sensationalist.
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At some point, this situation will spiral out of control if the policy of trying to bleed the Russians in Ukraine continues. Whilst the policy is preferable to all out conflict, there is also an inherent danger that at some point, the Russians will see NATO as an active combatant, and start to attack the arms shipments before they enter the Ukraine.
What worries me is the fact that there doesn't seem to be any desire on either side to come to some sort of understanding that could lead to some sort of peace deal. I highly doubt the Russians will back off from their stated policy of forcing Ukraine to become a neutral country - as well as getting the Ukrainians to accept the situation in the disputed Republics and Crimea. And whilst the Ukrainians are holding their own on the battlefield - backed up by arms from NATO - they think they can eventually defeat the Russians.
I think next six weeks will tell us a lot about how this will all pan out.
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Maybe, but at the same time I don't see Russia wanting to risk that even though they see NATO as an active belligerent on Ukraine's side in the war. They have the potential to intensify attacks on Kiev or perform much more thorough raids on western equipment on Ukraine's territory if they want to.
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Agree completely, this is something I think the US has forgotten in various recent adventures.
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The military didnt forget.
The civil leadership forgot and took us into many wars that did not have public support to do as such.
Or did so with poorly conceived ideas over how the subdued nation would be administered or how to get out without a mess.
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I too think the Russians will do all they can to avoid an open war with NATO; but there will be a point that will force them to act if the war drags on. I just don't see them backing out of this. Maybe if the west totally changed tactics and tried to meet the Russians half way, a deal could be worked out. I just don't see that happening, though; especially if the policy is to weaken Russia, and keep Zelensky in power at all costs.
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I still don't see them doing something conventional against NATO in that case and more a warning strike, worst case tactical nuke, or best case a limited attack also intended to escalate to deescalate.
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Like...something like this. Could also just be veiled threats, but this is clearly "if you don't stop helping we might try to kill Zelensky" https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-april-russian-ministry-of-defense-says-it-is-ready-to
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Meet them half way exactly where?
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Half way between what both sides want out of this. I mean, this conflict has really been going on since 2014. This is just another stage, albeit a much larger one. At some stage, there will need to be a resolution to the conflict. The alternative is a wider, more destructive war with unforeseen, unimaginable consequences, or a prolonged, protracted conflict that will lead to an armed standoff in Eastern Europe, that doesn't do anyone any favours (except the arms industry).
I honestly don't think the current policy will work long term. Putin has put all his eggs in one basket. There is no backing out. They are either defeated and driven out, or some type of peace deal is brokered. And seeing as I don't see them accepting defeat (IMHO - he will use his nukes to avoid a total defeat) a negotiated settlement is the only practical solution.
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