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I think the Turks will veto their entry, if Erdogan's recent language is anything to go by.
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Ironic to think that back in January, Russia, the US, and China signed a declaration banning nuclear war and the use of nuclear weapons.
I believe Trump originally refused to sign it, but the Biden administration, did.
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I remember watching that and thinking "they should also ban earthquakes and hurricanes while they're at it..."
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As USA social media trends with triumphant: "Ukrainian troops defending Kharkiv have reached the border with Russia, governor says"
Right or wrong with Ross Douthat's opinion - it is a reasonable issue of global security and in terms of "Defcon" status to consider...
"— except for the extremely important caveat that it’s also the future where Russian nuclear escalation suddenly becomes much more likely than it is right now. We know that Russian military doctrine envisions using tactical nuclear weapons defensively, to turn the tide in a losing war. We should assume that Putin and his circle regard total defeat in Ukraine as a regime-threatening scenario. Combine those realities with a world where the Russians are suddenly being routed, their territorial gains evaporating, and you have the most nuclear-shadowed military situation since our naval blockade of Cuba in 1962."
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Right or wrong with Ross Douthat's opinion - it is a reasonable issue of global security and in terms of "Defcon" status to consider...
"— except for the extremely important caveat that it’s also the future where Russian nuclear escalation suddenly becomes much more likely than it is right now. We know that Russian military doctrine envisions using tactical nuclear weapons defensively, to turn the tide in a losing war. We should assume that Putin and his circle regard total defeat in Ukraine as a regime-threatening scenario. Combine those realities with a world where the Russians are suddenly being routed, their territorial gains evaporating, and you have the most nuclear-shadowed military situation since our naval blockade of Cuba in 1962."
Opinion | There Are Two Endgames in Ukraine. Both Carry Big Risks.
Is there a third option looming for the next six months of war in Ukraine?
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Russia has been doing it for 60 years.
To be specific, USSR General Vasily Danilovich Sokolovsky (Sokolovskii) in writing in his 1962 Military Strategy document on nuclear bomb-based apocalyptic scenarios.
After 60 years, it is less of a "news" item. Like it is not "shocking" now when Al Qaeda or ISIS claim "responsibility" for terrorism.
The public has common knowledge of who the former USSR/Russia, Al Qaeda, and ISIS all are. Their values are not really "breaking news."
And factually (and I don't like this fact either, but it is still the truth), the USA is the only country that has offensively used an atomic weapon on its enemeies: August 6 and 9, 1945. Again, to be honest, I am anti-Russian, and I view Russia as a consistent threat to world peace, but seen through Russian lens, the USSR announced its first use policy 17 years after the USA actually performed an offensive atom bomb attack.
Under the circumstances and the history, anyone who believes both the Russian Federation (former USSR) and the USA are not both willing to exercise first strike nuclear attacks are not being honest with themselves. Both also have their allies that would assist in returning attacks on a nuclear bomb aggressor. My concern would be that Russia has more allies who are more willing to wipe the USA off the face of the Earth. Those who live in USA and enjoy the shared respect for its survival that hopefully most of its citizens have, can miss how many nations have loathed the USA forever, and would love to see it be wiped out. Russia has been horrific in its world meddling. But the truth is USA has been even more loathed for its world meddling, maybe not by USA citizens (of course), but there are other global viewpoints.
I was in UK (our great ally) in 2001 after the 9/11/2001 attacks (in this century), and while the official response and that of the older generation was one of condolences. I also witnessed a completely different side, including a lunch where I heard how USA deserved it from a Briton talking to a U.S. visitor, a few tables away. The official response was no doubt the majority of the public response (and condolences), but it would be short-sighted to believe that the perception of the U.S. - even in Europe - is one where USA's survival is viewed as desirable to all. It was shocking to me to see, and then of course, the later demonstrations praising and advocating the mass-murder by Al Qaeda on USA citizen.
I bring this up only because the NATO alliance may be a great thing, but the USA defense needs to also prepare for defending its own nation as well. Fighting in Afghanistan and joining in a nuclear war against Russia are totally different concepts of war. The idea that the "world" wants the USA to be protected by any means possible may be a very significant misinterpretation of global policy.
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And from another perspective:
On another point of view, Sergey Radchenko is writing at The Spectator "Why Russia needs to be humiliated in Ukraine" - Google News is giving this article a lot of attention. "Sergey Radchenko is a professor at the Kissinger Center, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University in Washington D.C."
www.spectator.co.uk
"Russia may have been poor, corrupt, and authoritarian, but Putin was seen as investing in the military and restoring Russia’s ‘greatness’. And some Russians have always been suckers for greatness. They would sell their last shirt for its elusive promise."
"Every year Putin’s Russia holds Victory Day parades. These used to be grandiose affairs. Tanks would roll. Planes would fly. And soldiers would goose-step in unison across Red Square as the ageing dictator looked on. I detested these militaristic displays, which had so little to do with the remembrance of the Second World War, and so much more to do with state-sponsored ‘greatness’. And yet I am certain I speak for many Russian liberals if I were to admit that somewhere in the depth of my ‘humiliated’ conscience I, too, was stirred by the sound and fury. It took a conscious effort to purge the poison of militarism – an effort too many Russians were simply unwilling to make even if they recognised the problem. And they didn’t. Now Ukraine has punctured a big, gaping hole in the narrative of Russia’s ‘greatness’. Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know that it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s ‘greatness’ has crumbled in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Tainted by the blood of the innocents, and beaten in honest combat, the bully has been reduced to size. It’s about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly."
"Russia needs proper humiliation. It needs a humble recognition of its diminished status, an acceptance of guilt, and a slow, painstaking effort to rebuild the trust of those it has wronged. Russia did not learn this lesson in the 1990s. It must learn it now. True greatness lies not in hideous military parades, nor in promises to unleash a nuclear Armageddon. True greatness lies in acceptance of the past, and a willingness to make amends. It lies in the commitment to build a better future, in a country that could become known for its schools and hospitals rather than its tanks and missiles. The real source of Russia’s humiliation has always been Russia itself: its arrogant, autocratic rulers and the chauvinistic populace that slavishly worship them. Russia’s defeat in this unjust, criminal war against Ukraine may help shift the domestic narrative in Russia towards accepting the country for what it really is, rather than what it has vainly pretended to be. It is only then that Russia can, finally, be at peace with itself and with its neighbours."
I often wonder where these people live.
I also wonder would they buy my house in Maryland 15 miles from the White House.
Because for the campaigns of those who believe that peace will come from "humiliation" of Russia, forget about the Brooklyn Bridge, I have a house to sell you.
On another point of view, Sergey Radchenko is writing at The Spectator "Why Russia needs to be humiliated in Ukraine" - Google News is giving this article a lot of attention. "Sergey Radchenko is a professor at the Kissinger Center, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University in Washington D.C."
Why Russia needs to be humiliated in Ukraine
As Putin’s war against Ukraine drags on, Russia now faces the very real prospect of defeat. There are still difficult weeks and months ahead for Ukraine, and you cannot wholly discount the possibility of a dangerous escalation still in the war. But Putin has failed to attain his initial aims...
www.spectator.co.uk
"Russia may have been poor, corrupt, and authoritarian, but Putin was seen as investing in the military and restoring Russia’s ‘greatness’. And some Russians have always been suckers for greatness. They would sell their last shirt for its elusive promise."
"Every year Putin’s Russia holds Victory Day parades. These used to be grandiose affairs. Tanks would roll. Planes would fly. And soldiers would goose-step in unison across Red Square as the ageing dictator looked on. I detested these militaristic displays, which had so little to do with the remembrance of the Second World War, and so much more to do with state-sponsored ‘greatness’. And yet I am certain I speak for many Russian liberals if I were to admit that somewhere in the depth of my ‘humiliated’ conscience I, too, was stirred by the sound and fury. It took a conscious effort to purge the poison of militarism – an effort too many Russians were simply unwilling to make even if they recognised the problem. And they didn’t. Now Ukraine has punctured a big, gaping hole in the narrative of Russia’s ‘greatness’. Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know that it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s ‘greatness’ has crumbled in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Tainted by the blood of the innocents, and beaten in honest combat, the bully has been reduced to size. It’s about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly."
"Russia needs proper humiliation. It needs a humble recognition of its diminished status, an acceptance of guilt, and a slow, painstaking effort to rebuild the trust of those it has wronged. Russia did not learn this lesson in the 1990s. It must learn it now. True greatness lies not in hideous military parades, nor in promises to unleash a nuclear Armageddon. True greatness lies in acceptance of the past, and a willingness to make amends. It lies in the commitment to build a better future, in a country that could become known for its schools and hospitals rather than its tanks and missiles. The real source of Russia’s humiliation has always been Russia itself: its arrogant, autocratic rulers and the chauvinistic populace that slavishly worship them. Russia’s defeat in this unjust, criminal war against Ukraine may help shift the domestic narrative in Russia towards accepting the country for what it really is, rather than what it has vainly pretended to be. It is only then that Russia can, finally, be at peace with itself and with its neighbours."
I often wonder where these people live.
I also wonder would they buy my house in Maryland 15 miles from the White House.
Because for the campaigns of those who believe that peace will come from "humiliation" of Russia, forget about the Brooklyn Bridge, I have a house to sell you.
Please take any and all talk about WWII and the atomic bombs dropped on Japan here please:
(Even if your trying to compare Amercias actions in WWII against Japan to the Ukraine/Russia conflict take it to the thread I posted above.)
Should the US have Dropped "The Bombs" on Japan?
Are we sure of that? During the WW2 Japan changed its military doctrine, imposing the absolute prohibition to surrender. Furthermore, it takes 2 bombs to surrender, not one. Sure US would have win even without the nukes, but with heavy losses. One of the dirty little secrets of the War in the...
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Just discovered this a little while ago. Don't know if it's true or not......I'll let mods decide.
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Seriously?
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This guy went on Russias state propaganda show and told it how it is. Sounds like they don't have a lot left in the tank.
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I was told yesterday that Turkey made a veto on Finland and Sweden entering NATO. My opinion might be a little unpopular, but it might be a blessing in disguise. Why do I think that way?? Well, many times, Russia has warned that if Finland or Sweden joined NATO, there would be a strong possibility of nukes being used. Well, if the veto is true, that might have at least put just a small amount of water on that fire. I was even more convinced that Russia might do what they said they would do after seeing the report of the Islandker missile launchers heading to the Russia border with Finland. Turkey's decision could very well have saved an exchange--(at least for the time being) Forget the politics of Turkey trying to play both sides for now.
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Sorry but I disagree, there is no way Russia would have outright launched a nuclear strike of any kind at Finland considering their current condition in this "special operation" and general ass kicking they are receiving at the hands of UA with western equipment. Turkey is an undependable partner of Nato and should be punished for their general fkery playing both sides of the conflict, they never fail to throw in a wrench in every plan Nato sets out to accomplish just to get their way. Now because of this ridiculously inappropriate veto in the wake of this ongoing crisis EU needs to step up and flat out declare they will fight and defend Finland from any Russian "special operations" and hopefully the US gets onboard and nips this in the but right away that they will also take up arms in defense of Finland. Russian aggression needs to be contained and not rewarded and unfortunately seems the only way to do that is by containing them with a solidified united Nato border
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I do see your points, and I agree with you, that the Russian aggression needs to be contained. I'm just thinking that the veto at least gave just a tad of breathing room or a delay with what will eventually happen. The veto is certainly NOT a cure--it's just a band-aid on a large cut, but the bleeding will still continue. (on both sides)
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Does NATO need Turkey?
I do see your points, and I agree with you, that the Russian aggression needs to be contained. I'm just thinking that the veto at least gave just a tad of breathing room or a delay with what will eventually happen. The veto is certainly NOT a cure--it's just a band-aid on a large cut, but the...
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Not just about the readiness of Russian military, about the realities of the motivation and moral of Ukraine and their military and how it effects their military capability. They have the motivation of defending their nation, and now with the lend lease they will have the ability to field an army of close to a million motivated solders. Russia can't ignore this reality.
He also commented that every time Russia threatens launching missiles towards Europe we look foolish with such a response.
Russian TV - retired Russian officer - Russian military TV commentary
The worm is turning in Russia
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He is a wise man and a realist.
Russia lost my respect when they started talking threateningly about their nukes. That to me makes them no better than tin-pot dictatorships like North Korea.
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If you think Russia is not going to use nuclear weapons, open-source intelligence is not a field for you.
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So he is has it been announced
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