UA-RU-NATO | DISCUSSIONS

[ZedBoy]

Not going to bother as I don't have a tinfoil hat on nor do I digest Russian propaganda from letting them shit in my mouth.

Already laid out why it was clearly not us. Very certain it was a accident or disaster.

The West is dumb to blame Russia & Russia is dumb to blame US. Anyone believe this was intentional needs to seriously re-contemplate where they get their news.

Where was it laid out at?

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Where was it laid out at?

Well this incident has generously helped my US energy investments. But just because this benefits the US does not mean we did it.

Not saying this because I'm America but on a purely logical level IF THIS WAS sabotage then it would of been Russia. As winter is nearing and best way to make EU suffer would to do exactly this.

But realistically this was likly a accidental disaster.

Again the West is dumb to blame Russia & Russia is dumb to blame US. Anyone believe this was intentional needs to seriously re-contemplate where they get their news.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Where was it laid out at?

I see why your confused. This discussion is taking place in wrong thread did not realize. Will move this convo now.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Anyone believe this was intentional needs to seriously re-contemplate where they get their news.

German media, quoting unnamed security officials, say it's possible the leaks are a result of an act of sabotage, as it's extremely rare for undersea, concrete-coated steel pipes to break on their own.

The first blast occurred at 2:03 a.m. Swedish time, and a second, larger explosion occurred at 7:04 p.m.

Lund says there's no natural event that could have created such unique seismic signatures less than 24 hours apart. "There's nothing I could come up with that would produce this," he says.

Seismologists suspect explosions damaged undersea pipelines that carry Russian gas

The events on Monday in the Baltic Sea resembled blasts from depth charges or mines, according to a Swedish researcher. They caused major leaks from the inactive Nord Stream pipelines.

www.npr.org

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

there's no natural event

I'm saying naturally occurring disaster like pipes eroded creating weak spot, or there was a weak spot in pipe from manufacturers, or even to much or little pressure in the pipes at the time causing stress leading to this. Something not human caused in deliberate action but a freak accident the universe likes to throw at us.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I'm saying naturally occurring disaster like pipes eroded creating weak spot or there was a weak spot in pipe from manufacturers or to much or little pressure in the pipes at the time. Something not human caused in deliberate action but a freak accident.

In two spots? Quite a coincidence. It could happen. I was merely responding to your accusation that anyone who thought it wasn't sabotage was somehow deficient.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

I'm saying naturally occurring disaster like pipes eroded creating weak spot, or there was a weak spot in pipe from manufacturers, or even to much pressure in the pipes at the time causing stress leading to this. Something not human caused in deliberate action but a freak accident the universe likes to throw at us.

Simply there are many "natural" not deliberate actions that could of caused this. I laid out three very good examples.

Which pipes eroding, manufacturing defect, or pressure problems are notorious an historical precedent for such events from other undersea pipelines around the world.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

that anyone who thought it wasn't sabotage was somehow deficient.

No not the person. Attacking the sources. Big difference.

 

[falloutsucks]

It is unbecoming of the site to have a moderator celebrate death, paint their ideological counterparts as idiots and subversives, mock and ridicule members and their points of views and use profanity like a drunken sailor. I'm glad there are still fair-minded and even handed people here to present ideas counter to Western Propaganda and War-Mongering.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

To be realistic. To little pressure in the system would of definitely caused both pipelines to implode at structural weak points.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

It is unbecoming of the site to have a moderator celebrate death, paint their ideological counterparts as idiots and subversives, mock and ridicule members and their points of views and use profanity like a drunken sailor. I'm glad there are still fair-minded and even handed people here to present ideas counter to Western Propaganda and War-Mongering.

You an anyone else is entirely free to think what they want. but thanks for chiming in, really helped the conversation.

 

[Irag8er]

It is unbecoming of the site to have a moderator celebrate death, paint their ideological counterparts as idiots and subversives, mock and ridicule members and their points of views and use profanity like a drunken sailor. I'm glad there are still fair-minded and even handed people here to present ideas counter to Western Propaganda and War-Mongering.

Really poor timing for these comments. If you had followed anything that’s been posted in this site in the last 2 days, you would know why.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Really poor timing for these comments. If you had followed anything that’s been posted in this site in the last 2 days, you would know why.

I think it's best I just leave forums until hurricane is over. I'm so on edge I'm ready to murder the next person who says hi to me figuratively speaking with millions of dollars on the line with my bugout ship and house on the beach. All I can think about...

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Also again want to make clear was attack the sources not the person. Big difference. Anyways I'm out.

 

[intel-bank]

Again the West is dumb to blame Russia & Russia is dumb to blame US. Anyone believe this was intentional needs to seriously re-contemplate where they get their news.

Like multiple government and agencies (who should know) who have said it was likely intentional? 1 is an accident. 2 is sabotage. There is absolutely no way this is accidental.
Who is to blame? I don't know. But its not an accident. Accidents don't create 2.3m earthquakes. This isn't something you just accidentially drop a bomb on. This is no simple stunt to pull off.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

1 is an accident. 2 is sabotage.

I don't see it. Neither side wins. One loses short term other loses long term.

If the pressure was low in these pipes they would of likly BOTH imploded in structural weak spots. GIVEN the extreme reduction in gas flow I would assume low pressure likly caused this.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Like multiple government and agencies

Who are fueled on propaganda right now eager to smear the otherside whenever possible??? (Both the West & Russia.) Sorry just don't believe it was on purpose neither side has anything to gain.

Anyways I need to find some peace or relax as this hurricane rolls in. I'll respond to people in a couple days when this is all over.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

If the pressure was low in these pipes they would of likly BOTH imploded in structural weak spots. GIVEN the extreme reduction in gas flow I would assume low pressure likly caused this.

In three spots? At vastly different times? And be described as explosions?

I mean, I don't know. Thankfully it is not my job to figure this stuff out.

It just seems odd.

But who knows? Right now we are getting knee-jerk reactions. Let's see how it shakes out in a few days.

 

[ZedBoy]

You an anyone else is entirely free to think what they want. but thanks for chiming in, really helped the conversation.

I've been hearing a few things, and I'm currently waiting to see if this dude goes public. From what I understand It was a US operation: If guy goes public I'll link the posting (Tor will be required).

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I've been hearing a few things, and I'm currently waiting to see if this dude goes public. From what I understand It was a US operation: If guy goes public I'll link the posting (Tor will be required).

I'm a Luddite. What is Tor?