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Protests Continue In France Over Retirement Age Bill

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Seriously said:
You know I don’t understand retirement age trends.
In the west we generally live longer than the past and yet we expect lower retirement age? Modern retirement ages were based on 1960 and 70’s life spans. But we expect lower retirement age? I’m not begrudging people from it. Just observing that it’s anomaly of the modern western nations.
It’s all good while it can be afforded. When it’s no longer affordable it becomes a novel burp in the history of nations.
So don’t expect it to continue forever because the odds are it won’t.
Nothing is ever guaranteed especially government promises. Demographically it’s already an upside down pyramid.
If the financial collapse spreads it will impact pensions both public and private even greater.
Add inflation to the mix and it becomes an exponentially growing problem.

I know this isn’t a popular opinion but it’s just a dose of reality to the greater problem.
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The main reason of the unrest is the use of the 49.3 law, to bypass approval from the assembly.
There is a lot of others reasons, some are historical ( since the "Front Populaire" in 1936, retirement system always has been a sensible subject here )
I feel that a lot of french ( including myself ) are angry that the inflations costs ( and increase of taxes ) are more often impacting on the lower "class" of the population.
I pay 25% of taxes on my salary ( which makes me earning 1003€ net per month ). I'm ok with that, sure, i don't buy a new car every years, but i'm living, and i'm ok to pay those taxes to funds healthcare, free education system etc...
But what i don't like is that the government is asking us, the middle class in France to pay more while they don't ask that to the rich company, they even removed the ISF ( Impôt sur la fortune, basically a tax on high fortune ).
I would like that the rich helps also, like most of the people are doing. I will soon struggle to live, energy's price has augmented, same as food's etc... I'll struggle if my taxes goes higher.

Of course, there is others reasons about the unrest ( accusation of police violences etc... ), but here is the main reason
 
Onoya said:
I pay 25% of taxes on my salary ( which makes me earning 1003€ net per month ). I'm ok with that, sure, i don't buy a new car every years, but i'm living, and i'm ok to pay those taxes to funds healthcare, free education system etc...
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I only wish I paid 25%. He in Australia it is much higher. I am paying $5,092 plus 32.5 cents for each $1 over $45,000 then medicare and other levies on top. There is a medicare levy that starts at 1% and increases (up to 1.5%) depending on your annual income. So effectively I am paying the $5092 base plus a 34% tax rate.
 
Dr Arthur said:
I only wish I paid 25%. He in Australia it is much higher. I am paying $5,092 plus 32.5 cents for each $1 over $45,000 then medicare and other levies on top. There is a medicare levy that starts at 1% and increases (up to 1.5%) depending on your annual income. So effectively I am paying the $5092 base plus a 34% tax rate.
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that's to avoid situation like that, that french people have a tendency to go on strike and riots... We have the luck to have a good economy, the healthcare system isn't in deficit anymore, so we are fighting to keep those.
 
Onoya said:
Macron's gov barely survive as the motion of non confidence fail to be voted by only 9 votes
www.politico.eu

Macron narrowly survives crucial no-confidence votes in parliament

A much tighter than expected vote deepens the political crisis in France.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
www.cnbc.com

French government narrowly survives no-confidence vote amid backlash over pension changes

The government of French President Emmanuel Macron narrowly survived a no-confidence vote Monday evening.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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Not that surprising but 9 votes was cutting it awfully close.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
I never understood things like this. Just go in and arrest them one by one. Eventually you will thin out the herd.
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well, they will resist if they do that, bring tractors and such. Hard to arrest one by one when they do barricades, use rocks as projectiles. And even if the police unblock the depot, the delivery trucks are also on strike, so no one will be here to deliver that fuel
Speaking of that, today, i filmed the queue at the fuel station in my town, it was 1 km long, because they were one of the last still having diesel to sell ( can't upload the video i guess here )
 
Onoya said:
well, they will resist if they do that, bring tractors and such.
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Fine. Arrest them and confiscate the tractors.

Onoya said:
Hard to arrest one by one when they do barricades, use rocks as projectiles.
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Shoot back with rubber bullets.

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And even if the police unblock the depot, the delivery trucks are also on strike, so no one will be here to deliver that fuel
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That is a different issue. Strikes are legal. Blockades are not.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Fine. Arrest them and confiscate the tractors.


Shoot back with rubber bullets.


That is a different issue. Strikes are legal. Blockades are not.
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Same issue, how do you arrest them if they resist with barricades? ( and staying in group ). Especially when you can't really call for reinforcement since the others police groups are already busy with others protest/blockades/riots.
That's one of the strength of french protest movement, it's that it's such in mass that police just can't deal with every movement.
About shooting with rubber bullets, now it's less effective, because peoples know that they have those, so stay under cover with the cops are carrying lbds ( the weapon that shoots the rubber bullet here ), carry protective gear.

One thing that needs to be understood is that french people are used to protest and dealing with police responses, and know how to counter it. An huge part know how to remove tear gas effect, recognise lbd and go under cover etc...
And about the fact that blockades aren't legal, people don't really care here. A riot isn't legal, our republic is born thanks to things that were considered as illegal by the governement at the time.


A lot of people here are inspired but the constitution of the June 24 1793 ( not anymore used, but it's part of our history ) and its article 35 :
"Article 35. - Quand le gouvernement viole les droits du peuple, l'insurrection est, pour le peuple et pour chaque portion du peuple, le plus sacré des droits et le plus indispensable des devoirs."
"Article 35. When the government violates the rights of the people, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties."
 
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