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The Pocket Guide to Bullshit Prevention

RiffRaff

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This is how all OSINT should operate:
 
This is how all OSINT should operate:

I agree with the premise of this guide. The only problem I see is this. "you could sit tight for a couple of news cycles and let a professional journalist check into it," What is a professional journalist? Is Carlson a professional journalist, how about that Lawrence guy from msnbc or Tapper from cnn? I love to see a hard news item and see how it is spun from the major PROFESSIONAL news outlifts.
 
I agree with the premise of this guide. The only problem I see is this. "you could sit tight for a couple of news cycles and let a professional journalist check into it," What is a professional journalist? Is Carlson a professional journalist, how about that Lawrence guy from msnbc or Tapper from cnn? I love to see a hard news item and see how it is spun from the major PROFESSIONAL news outlifts.
Technically, a "professional" anything is one who gets paid to do what they do. Carlson is a professional, but he's not a journalist. He's an op/ed media personality (I'm being very generous there). The huge problem with most of MSM is they have gotten away from simply reporting the news and have mixed in telling us how we should feel about it or react to it, which is opinion, not fact. Americans are now confusing editorial opinions for actual news, which is why we have such diametric opposition of "the facts."

Gods, I miss Walter Cronkite.
 
What is a professional journalist?
A professional journalist is one who gets paid for his work as a journalist.

Technically, a "professional" anything is one who gets paid to do what they do.
Yep :)

which is why we have such diametric opposition of "the facts."
This is a consequence of human "binary" logic. In reality, there is a whole spectrum of viewpoints and interpretations of events. But it is the habit of thinking that reduces everything to only two opposites. People think in binary opposites. People unconsciously reduce everything to binary opposites. People sort information into binary opposites. People group themselves into opposing groups. Honestly, it's sad.
 
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Given our unique status it's not so far fetched to imagine our own journalism arm of DWS. We have an eclectic assortment of analysts who can read between the lines and report information objectively.

The bar is set pretty low out there gang. We could do it
We already have regular and major contributor titles for people who report information often.. Sort of similar.
 
We already have regular and major contributor titles for people who report information often.. Sort of similar.
I'm talking about a separate platform on our website where approved contributers report on national and global stories, citing sources and being generally accountable like..........."journalists"
It could easily be done via open source information same as our forums with no need to travel. Idk, they have me fairly doped up right now so maybe I'm being a bit whimsical lol.
Just a thought I guess
 
I'm talking about a separate platform on our website where approved contributers report on national and global stories, citing sources and being generally accountable like..........."journalists"
It could easily be done via open source information same as our forums with no need to travel. Idk, they have me fairly doped up right now so maybe I'm being a bit whimsical lol.
Just a thought I guess
Well that's something that the director would have to weigh on. I have some pull around here but he runs the show. ;) @DEFCON Warning System

I'm not for or against this idea. Would need to refine or discuss it more.
 
Well that's something that the director would have to weigh on. I have some pull around here but he runs the show. ;) @DEFCON Warning System

I'm not for or against this idea. Would need to refine or discuss it more.
The problem I see with this idea is those people are still going to be bias sometimes even subconsciously(I only know one person here who I have never noticed a bias in. The mods tend to report more objectively as well but sometimes bias does present itself.)

But they would have more weight in said argument, and it sounds like such an idea would be preventing discussion entirely, if I understand correctly such a platform would not have ways to discuss.

And even if discussion was carried to this forum, some people would be inherently trusted more simply because they are a "trusted reporter".

Overall, I don't like the idea that much. However, I do think that it wouldnt be too bad to have a more "public"(not "hid" in the forum) report list or system may be helpful for non-contributors, maybe something where on all posts people have the ability to "petition" to elevate it, as to reduce potential bias if we were to do something like that, and if a post gets enough approval it goes to said list
 
I'm talking about a separate platform on our website where approved contributers report on national and global stories, citing sources and being generally accountable like..........."journalists"
It could easily be done via open source information same as our forums with no need to travel. Idk, they have me fairly doped up right now so maybe I'm being a bit whimsical lol.
Just a thought I guess
I don't like this idea.
 
The problem I see with this idea is those people are still going to be bias sometimes even subconsciously(I only know one person here who I have never noticed a bias in. The mods tend to report more objectively as well but sometimes bias does present itself.)

But they would have more weight in said argument, and it sounds like such an idea would be preventing discussion entirely, if I understand correctly such a platform would not have ways to discuss.

And even if discussion was carried to this forum, some people would be inherently trusted more simply because they are a "trusted reporter".

Overall, I don't like the idea that much. However, I do think that it wouldnt be too bad to have a more "public"(not "hid" in the forum) report list or system may be helpful for non-contributors, maybe something where on all posts people have the ability to "petition" to elevate it, as to reduce potential bias if we were to do something like that, and if a post gets enough approval it goes to said list
Totally agree with first paragraph as I recently tried bringing to attention. The rest not to sure about.
 
A professional journalist is one who gets paid for his work as a journalist.


Yep :)


This is a consequence of human "binary" logic. In reality, there is a whole spectrum of viewpoints and interpretations of events. But it is the habit of thinking that reduces everything to only two opposites. People think in binary opposites. People unconsciously reduce everything to binary opposites. People sort information into binary opposites. People group themselves into opposing groups. Honestly, it's sad.
Binary logic gets a bad wrap.
As I move thru my day and I become tired or thirsty. I, me personally, prefer a logic system that enables me to determine easily with out to much internal debate if this or that spot would be a more comfortable place to set and rest.
Or more consequential to determine with out to much hesitancy or self doubt would this be a good place to get a clean drink of water.

“Choosing” is always a binary selection of either / or.
Is this benifitial to me?
Does it matter if I even have an opinion?
What will happen if I do nothing?
Or should I get involved and beat the shit out of that asshat?

It a matter of informed perspective and historical understanding.
A journalist must and will always enter a event with a bias. Be it cultural, historic, education.
But they must dig and look for information as yet not widely reported that can shed new light on a incident.

A historian who sifts through myriad of old text and letters and makes a novel discovery of different events that did infact impact each other. But till then no one had ever discovered that is a “journalist”. Their reporting a as yet unknown correlation that impacted events.

Even a war correspondent reporting on a battle does so with a predisposed set of opinions likely similar to their audience. If they didn’t then they would not have the historic and cultural concepts to successfully communicate what they are seeing to their consumer.

So being a journalist is not a scientific title or badge one is bequeathed and shoved off into the world and told go forth do good journalism.

If that was the case “webcams”. Would be the ultimate journalist.

Being a journalist is earned respect and trust that they are faithfully communicating a complex and chaotic situation in a manner I likely would agree with if I were there with them.
Well that’s a pretty damn small list and probably not one we would agreed upon amongst us.

So for me a journalist can absolutely interject their opinions into the reporting. I expect them to to at least some degree because it would not be human to do otherwise.

As far as tucker Carlson he’s not a journalist. But I think his type of platform can be valuable because he ask questions and challenges the accepted norm. Since when I’m america do challenging authority or dogma become a bad thing.
I don’t always agree with him but he critical to honest debate.

We can not honestly maintain a list of these four and no more are the only acceptable news sources. Because we’ve seen time and again they can be fallible.
You kinda have to “work”at the news consumption yourself.
 
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