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[Publius]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666155074786033667

Good lord how many times have we heard this.
Well “I’ve” Heard Russia has nuclear tipped RPG’s . When does the recall of those start?

So there Larov the lapdog

edit ps
Seriously how many times have we heard this stupid chorus line about “risk of escalation” threatens to lead to WW3.

Russia is either threatening to use nukes, or breathlessly and sternly warning that such and such actions are provocative threats to the Rodina.

The only threat to the Rodina is the current Russian government skipping their way to obsolescence and dissolution of the Russian federation.

 

[TruthandJustice]

Putin would likely order a “test” nuke detonation in Siberia or open ocean before using on battlefield. He still has cards to play before going all in but I agree in that ordered nuke usage is inevitable with Putin the clown running things. He still probably doesn’t understand that the West doesn’t care anymore. They have had it with him and his regime and will not be held hostage by it.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Putin would likely order a “test” nuke detonation in Siberia or open ocean before using on battlefield.

That would be the least escalating of all the nuclear-use options.

 

[dryjoy]

…but I agree in that ordered nuke usage is inevitable with Putin the clown running things.

It’s still far from inevitable. It would be a highly risky move, and he knows that.

 

[teekay99]

It’s still far from inevitable. It would be a highly risky move, and he knows that.

I agree.
A test in a location where Russia would normally test or has historically tested nukes would be alarming but not necessarily dangerously escalatory.

• We (the US) were testing nukes at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis "like it was our own private Fourth of July" (to quote 13 Days). That's a bit of hyperbole but you get my point.

Once he launches a nuke in any territory outside of Russia, all bets are off, and he risks losing any control of the situation he thinks he might have. I am not convinced he is there yet given his actions to date.

 

[Torch]

If was Putin, and therefore an asshole, I would pop one offshore but close enough for it to be seen. Like a demonstration, they same why we should have hit Tokyo Bay first. My 2¢

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

We (the US) were testing nukes at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis "like it was our own private Fourth of July" (to quote 13 Days). That's a bit of hyperbole but you get my point.

That test was supposed to have been cancelled and Kennedy was ticked that it happened.

 

[Spyglass]

That would be the least escalating of all the nuclear-use options.

Least escalating, but an escalation none the less. Worthy of an immediate DEFCON 4, IMO.

Putin won’t do it unless things really go south. Thank God Ukraine doesn’t have nukes.

Call me crazy, I trust Putin with a nuke more than Zelensky. Here is why. Zelensky has an anger, hate, and fervor for Russia, just as the US does. The deceptive propaganda, Nordstream pipeline false flag, and additionally those strong idealistic notions of hatred for Russia create a perfect scenario for Ukraine to miscalculate.

Russia wants to appropriate Ukraine into an Anti-NATO alliance, and they have nothing to gain by capturing a nuclear wasteland. Plus prevailing winds mean the fallout hits Russia. No go for Russia. Russia is also winning this conflict, contrary to mainstream media reports. They have no reason to make things worse for themselves.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Zelensky has an anger, hate, and fervor for Russia, just as the US does.

Even worse, Zelensky has a legitimate reason to use one.

 

[Yingyang]

As far as Putin goes he has proven himself as a leader and not the stupid claims made against him about madman with nukes. Now in saying that , as some here agree better the devil you know than don't. Now imagine say the Wagner leader once this conflict is over and not before, should run as leader? Than the west would need to re-evaluate their confidence levels on future projects with Russia because he would be a whole different situation to mess with I'm sure. Especially with full command of all forces . that does not happen. Than again leave him alone all good. Just like Putin.
He has the ability to great for Russia and highly respected in Russian eyes. Mess with him and he won't be a Putin. He would be much more of a concern.

 

[Publius]

Least escalating, but an escalation none the less. Worthy of an immediate DEFCON 4, IMO.

Putin won’t do it unless things really go south. Thank God Ukraine doesn’t have nukes.

Call me crazy, I trust Putin with a nuke more than Zelensky. Here is why. Zelensky has an anger, hate, and fervor for Russia, just as the US does. The deceptive propaganda, Nordstream pipeline false flag, and additionally those strong idealistic notions of hatred for Russia create a perfect scenario for Ukraine to miscalculate.

Russia wants to appropriate Ukraine into an Anti-NATO alliance, and they have nothing to gain by capturing a nuclear wasteland. Plus prevailing winds mean the fallout hits Russia. No go for Russia. Russia is also winning this conflict, contrary to mainstream media reports. They have no reason to make things worse for themselves.

Deceptive propaganda is always a two way street. Putin has no use to conquer a wasteland. But Zelinski would use them on his own country. Sorry that logic does not follow.

 

[Torch]

Russia is also winning this conflict, contrary to mainstream media reports. They have no reason to make things worse for themselves.

It depends on how you define winning. If you mean a 3 day military operation being stretched unto a 2 year war, whilst taking epic loses in men and material, sure yeah you can call that winning.

By the way what is the name of the ship that is the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet? You know, the one taking a time out as an artificial reef?

 

[Yingyang]

It depends on how you define winning. If you mean a 3 day military operation being stretched unto a 2 year war, whilst taking epic loses in men and material, sure yeah you can call that winning.

By the way what is the name of the ship that is the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet? You know, the one taking a time out as an artificial reef?

Are starting to sound as desperate as the west and Zelinski. So I guess the easiest way to define winning would be who has lost the most territory or holds it currently.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

He has the ability to great for Russia and highly respected in Russian eyes.

He's highly respected because he's clamped down on anyone who claims he is otherwise.

Kinda like how Kim Jong Un is "highly respected". Or Napoleon the Pig. (Go on, look up that reference!)

No, he is not a "madman with nukes". In much the same way Hitler was not a madman. But they are both delusional. Which may be worse.

 

[Torch]

Are starting to sound as desperate as the west and Zelinski. So I guess the easiest way to define winning would be who has lost the most territory or holds it currently.

Opinion vary.
You seem quite certain and despite overwhelming disagreement here, you remain polite. I find that admiral.

 

[Citizen-21]

Report for the morning of 08.06, 08 AM for Kiev-Moscow time.

The Ukrainian counter-offensive is ongoing.
Have you guys heard of any? Probably not.
That's because Ukrainians themselves, plus Western media would never admit these movements as the beginning of their counteroffensive, if they won't gain any significant landmark.y' know, a Propaganda factor

New Russian footage for past several days shows 42 armored vehicles lost by Ukraine. Including lots of new Western equipment, such as Maxxpro, Mastiff armored cars, AMX-10RC wheeled tanks and CV90 IFV's.
That's only what has gotten into the camera, and not even everything had been analyzed.
I shall put a reminder that Ukraine has none actual experience for the offensives:
Their previous glorious land reclaims were just re-taking the lands of Russian retreats and abandonments. They never had to clash into the Russian defences like they do right now. Their low morale on units also doesn't help. Ukraine soldiers are not as relentless as they thought. They were convinced that Russians would be scared and run when those move on. Propaganda does not good deed on soldiers themselves. Russian positions were reinforced with EW equipment and are being heavily supported by air with new guided munitions.

The destrucktion of Kakhovka dam has changed the frontline layout greatly - it allowed Russian forces to draw some troops from Kherson area and relocate them to reinforce Zaporozhye region. It seems that Ukrainians decided not to wait anymore, to not let Russians pour more troops in Zaporozhye.

Meanwhile, Russian forces had eliminated an IRIST-T anti-air system, destroying it's radar& guidance piece.

It has been spotted and shot at Kherson area. It may indicate that, Ukraine is lacking it's old stocks of post-Soviet systems such as BUK, and the fact that it has been put so close to the frontline of Kherson area within the reach of Lancet drones, shows that they clearly had some offensive intetions upon that region, but were unable to follow.

 

[Yingyang]

Opinion vary.
You seem quite certain and despite overwhelming disagreement here, you remain polite. I find that admiral.

Thankyou i appreciate your response sad that some here can show real weaknesses in their responses with thought and control. But I guess that is what makes us individuals and potentially teaches us growth ,patience, understanding, maturity and open mindedness. Not all but we are made up of many people with many opinions and beliefs. I understand this and most opinions. Unfortunately it is sad when one can't control themselves and or except others in many ways. I choose to try and understand others where others don't. Not my problem not my issue. Thankyou once again.
Tempers in texts and calls are weakness and should only ever be shown in person to face yourself truly while facing another. That is strength that deserves respect. Not half the shit that goes on with this technology. Gutless people usually mouth off in safety. My temper i save mostly for the meet in person. Rare nowadays. Unfortunately.

 

[Citizen-21]

Fresh reports from battle. The German steel has finally arrived in combat, and already burning. Accompanied with more western IFV's.
Today's evening combat pics are about to be especially juicy.

Spoiler: pics

I mean look at this spacing. Is this how famous NATO training supposed to look like?

 

[Yingyang]

Pretty rude of Ukraine to be angry with Australia over planes . They should be grateful they have received what they have from everyone so far. Then expressing disappointment with Joe Biden aswell over weapons deliveries. Shit Australia isn't even a nato country and America is a main player in keeping up support for this ungrateful prick bitching to world about being in a position he had years knowledge about.
Let alone Europes largest country and the on a border with Russia. He wants support and respect yet he acts like this. Don't believe me read reports section for yourself. Someone should pick up that dummy and shove it back in his mouth with glue. Disgusting behaviour on his part.. We are lead to believe he is winning yet he acts like he is losing with such rhetoric.

 

[teekay99]

He's highly respected because he's clamped down on anyone who claims he is otherwise.

Kinda like how Kim Jong Un is "highly respected". Or Napoleon the Pig. (Go on, look up that reference!)

No, he is not a "madman with nukes". In much the same way Hitler was not a madman. But they are both delusional. Which may be worse.

Ooh an Animal Farm reference?

It's interesting how when you systematically remove or stifle dissent you are left with a people that "highly respect" you.... publicly. I suspect that much of that "high respect" today is born out of cynicism or self-preservation. All hail the great leader.... or else.

Historically speaking, Russia has not really had a strong track record for democracy. Their governments have tended toward autocracy, authoritarianism, or exceptionally strong central control. I think this also contributes to the Russian psyche for "respecting their leaders".