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DEFCON Warning System said:
The longer they wait, the less the moral justification they have. On the other hand, the world will never back Israel so who cares what the world thinks.
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What everyone should remember and what Israel is definitely noting is that as Israel has listened to the world and forestalled an attack. This is what Iranian proxies have done by intensifying attacks yet again.
Sometimes it does not pay to be the nice or patient guy.

So while the moral justification might slip in the world’s eyes. The logical imperative to struck hard only grows more obvious.
 
°Our attack against Iran will be deadly, precise and above all surprising, they will not understand what happened to them°

Well, if he uses nuclear weapons....it would be a very serious mistake
 
GBS61 said:
°Our attack against Iran will be deadly, precise and above all surprising, they will not understand what happened to them°

Well, if he uses nuclear weapons....it would be a very serious mistake
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Israel is not going to nuke Iran.
 
GBS61 said:
To hell with what religious pro-Israel people think!
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Why exactly does it matter if the supporter of Israel is religious or not?
If it is what they believe how does that make there decision any less legitimate.
Are non-religious individuals the only people who can have a voice?
Is this the kind of world you’re advocating for where sectarian divisions dictate dialogue and discussion?
If it is you have become the monster you claim to be advocating against.

I’m religious and I do not support Israel because of any biblical prophecy or scripture.
I support Israel because they are a secular state with elections and an effort of self government that tries in a very difficult region to remain so. A nation that is repeatedly attacked. A nation that is faced with either fighting or extinction.
So why exactly is my religious perspective of self government and self determination some how illegitimate?
 
OReid said:
Why exactly does it matter if the supporter of Israel is religious or not?
If it is what they believe how does that make there decision any less legitimate.
Are non-religious individuals the only people who can have a voice?
Is this the kind of world you’re advocating for where sectarian divisions dictate dialogue and discussion?
If it is you have become the monster you claim to be advocating against.

I’m religious and I do not support Israel because of any biblical prophecy or scripture.
I support Israel because they are a secular state with elections and an effort of self government that tries in a very difficult region to remain so. A nation that is repeatedly attacked. A nation that is faced with either fighting or extinction.
So why exactly is my religious perspective of self government and self determination some how illegitimate?
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I thought this needed a repost since I am totally of the same frame of mind on the subject. Beset on all sides by hostility, a tiny nation defending itself when by all rights purposes they were there from the beginning trying to make a living in that hell of a barren landscape.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Screw what the world thinks!
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What you call the world, well, the world is against the government of Benjamin Netanyahu who has been in power since 2022 and his government is of the extreme religious and racist right. In fact, he is playing the game of the racist religious extremists of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Of course, the Hamas attack was terrible (October 7, 2023), but Israel, since that time. has taken revenge about 10 times. The world, as you say, loves Israel and Jews in general. In my opinion, Israel will never live in peace again, this will create even more hatred towards Israel. Solution, Benjamin Netanyahu must first leave power, especially since the armed wing of Hamas and Hezbollah are practically all destroyed.
 
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GBS61 said:
What you call the world, well, the world is against the government of Benjamin Netanyahu who has been in power since 2022 and his government is of the extreme religious and racist right. In fact, he is playing the game of the racist religious extremists of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Of course, the Hamas attack was terrible (October 7, 2023), but Israel, since that time. has taken revenge about 10 times. The world, as you say, loves Israel and Jews in general. In my opinion, Israel will never live in peace again, this will create even more hatred towards Israel. Solution, Benjamin Netanyahu must first leave power, especially since the armed wing of Hamas and Hezbollah are practically all destroyed.
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That's a ridiculous take.
 
GBS61 said:
What you call the world, well, the world is against the government of Benjamin Netanyahu who has been in power since 2022 and his government is of the extreme religious and racist right. In fact, he is playing the game of the racist religious extremists of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Of course, the Hamas attack was terrible (October 7, 2023), but Israel, since that time. has taken revenge about 10 times. The world, as you say, loves Israel and Jews in general. In my opinion, Israel will never live in peace again, this will create even more hatred towards Israel. Solution, Benjamin Netanyahu must first leave power, especially since the armed wing of Hamas and Hezbollah are practically all destroyed.
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Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran want Israel gone regardless of which political philosophy is dominant in the Knesset.
 
alphaecho said:
Biden warns Iran that US will view assassination attempts on
@realDonaldTrump
as an act of war, — The Washington Post#Biden sent a message "at the highest level" to the Iranian government, warning it to stop plots against #Trump and former US officials.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845139584125964792
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There is no direct value to assassinating Trump, especially since it does not look like Trump will win election.

Unless Iran wants to ensure Harris wins, since she is more likely to be more favourable to Iran than Trump would be.

Of course, a Trump assassination would ignite the conspiracy theorists. Maybe that is something they could go for.
 
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Ben Dhyani said:
According to the Washington Post; Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told the Biden Administration in recent days, that Israel is willing to launch Strikes against only Military Targets inside of Iran, instead of Oil and Nuclear Facilities which would be reserved for Future Action.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1845929600419021206
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They are just kicking the can down the road. Sad.
 
teekay99 said:
Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran want Israel gone regardless of which political philosophy is dominant in the Knesset.
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Under the shah there were reportedly over 80000 Jews in Iran. After the coup 10000. Before the Islamic coup Israel probably had its best relations of any Moslem nation wirh Iran.
The issue is solely about control. The ayatollahs say they hate Zionism. Which translates to a denial of the right of any form of Jewish state.

This is the crux of the conflict between Israel and Iran in its proxies. So one can argue for negotiations and agreements between the parties.
Just know that no matter what settlements are reached that they are only a stalling measure until Iran feels it again press their ultimate aim of the elimination of the state of Israel.
 
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