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Trump's Tariff's - Updates
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Well I’m sure he does feel that way. Coming from a nation that has engaged in industrial and state espionage. As well as their own serious import restrictions.FAAFO
I honestly don’t feel sorry for the CCP.
This only tells me Trump is on the right track with China.
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Bill Ackman’s take on Trumps tariffs,
Shock and Awe,
Willing to negotiate
Don’t bet against Trump
The idea that Wall Street and investors are opposed to the President’s efforts to bring back our industrial base by leveling the tariff playing field is false. Our trading partners have taken advantage of us for decades after tariffs were no longer needed to help them rebuild their economies after WWII.
Trump’s strategy is not without risk, but I wouldn’t bet against him. The more that markets support the President and his strategy, the higher the probability that he succeeds, so a stable hand on the trading wheel is a patriotic one.
Trump cares enormously about our economy and the stock market as a measure of his performance. If the current strategy works, he will continue to execute on it. If it needs to be tweaked or changed, I expect he will make the necessary changes. Based on the early read, his strategy appears to be working. Let’s help him succeed. It’s the least we can do.
Be calm and let him renegotiate the trading environment for an actual free market
Shock and Awe,
Willing to negotiate
Don’t bet against Trump
The idea that Wall Street and investors are opposed to the President’s efforts to bring back our industrial base by leveling the tariff playing field is false. Our trading partners have taken advantage of us for decades after tariffs were no longer needed to help them rebuild their economies after WWII.
Trump’s strategy is not without risk, but I wouldn’t bet against him. The more that markets support the President and his strategy, the higher the probability that he succeeds, so a stable hand on the trading wheel is a patriotic one.
Trump cares enormously about our economy and the stock market as a measure of his performance. If the current strategy works, he will continue to execute on it. If it needs to be tweaked or changed, I expect he will make the necessary changes. Based on the early read, his strategy appears to be working. Let’s help him succeed. It’s the least we can do.
Be calm and let him renegotiate the trading environment for an actual free market
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1- It's far too early to assess the impact of the tariffs; it's only six months away to see the full effects.
2- The stock markets are down because of this uncertainty.
3- All businesses hate uncertainty.
The big problem in the US is that it no longer manufactures anything. American factories assemble products that come from several countries. Trump wants to force American multinationals to manufacture only in the US, but where will he find the labor to perform his lower-paying jobs? (The American people don't want to do low-level jobs.)
Before the tariffs, the US economy was doing well, with almost full employment and only a 4% unemployment rate. As for inflation, the problem
could be solved this way: the government could establish
a price ceiling for several sectors of the economy. This would prevent multinationals from making even more money at the expense of the people, and the money would be better distributed among the people. Finally, this would prevent the erosion of the middle class.
Tariffs are the worst solution; inflation will increase.
2- The stock markets are down because of this uncertainty.
3- All businesses hate uncertainty.
The big problem in the US is that it no longer manufactures anything. American factories assemble products that come from several countries. Trump wants to force American multinationals to manufacture only in the US, but where will he find the labor to perform his lower-paying jobs? (The American people don't want to do low-level jobs.)
Before the tariffs, the US economy was doing well, with almost full employment and only a 4% unemployment rate. As for inflation, the problem
could be solved this way: the government could establish
a price ceiling for several sectors of the economy. This would prevent multinationals from making even more money at the expense of the people, and the money would be better distributed among the people. Finally, this would prevent the erosion of the middle class.
Tariffs are the worst solution; inflation will increase.
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This is what I've been saying. Production in America costs too much due to the society being based on brain-drain.
How much is the best machine operator making compared to the avg software developer, or average mechanical eng, or chemist, or x-ray tech.
I know kids who came out of 2 year programs who were so broke their families had to share a hungry-man meals because the family worked low end labor (factory line/retail/food).
When an X-ray tech aka a 2 year education program makes more than working for 25+ years of experience on a line or in food/retail/factory work... There's something fucked up going on.
An X-ray tech is basically you stand around, you move this tiny machine, throw a lead/reflective blanket on a person and click a button of a pre-programmed machine and make 70k+ a year in locol.
Why would anyone begrudgingly work low end labor just to have a shitty quality of life and struggle. The concept of a good quality of life is against that, and most people refuse to pay more for their items on the shelf so why complain about "American job security" when you're already complaining about $9+ eggs, $6+ gallon milk, if you want American manufacturing to come back at the low level be okay with high ass pricing, because it's beyond hard to survive on uneducated/low educated labor.
It's just not worth getting into manufacturing/food/retail or any of those low jobs unless you're really young and don't know a path yet, or you have a disability, or are working towards a degree path and doing it part time. The reason is the pay, the quality of your life, and the lack of long term sustainability due to increased cost of living due to American braindrain policy. Aka grab smart people from foreign country and bring them here for good money, which makes the population more educated and higher earning in theory, but it also makes the market costs for up for basics of living, but the same is done if you want low level manufacturing in a country that's doesn't have a place for it anymore financially for the workers.
We can't bitch about egg prices, food prices, and material prices if we want Americans to have jobs available to them in manufacturing and "low" educational work because they have to have a living wage too. The prices are there to provide that for them.
But once again. If an X-ray tech is making 75k+ to push a button starting and your line worker for 30+ years isn't pushing over 65k a year without doing ot... Yeah that's fucked. Keep in mind that X-ray techs don't require much education at all and it's comparable to getting a CompTIA a++ or security+
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People magically think American job security means lower prices, but they don't know it costs a lot more to employ an American in manufacturing due to the cost of living now. You can't pay someone to work on a line $24 an hour if they are over 28 and want a family. You can pay someone with mental disabilities that, maybe someone who's a first generation immigrant trying to prop their family up, maybe even someone who's in college part time.
And why are so many people complaining about prices if the cost of having that job here in America will likely push the price up because those line workers need to live and not struggle just to put food on the table and pay for their rent. What would you do if you knew in 6 to years of working that line work you'll likely be in debt and have no savings and not have enough to afford medical/dental procedures... You're going to get pissed off and quit because it's not logical to work at that point.
We will bitch about gas price and eggs, and all of this stuff, but we won't think of the human behind the process that also needs to live if we want our aspirations to become true. We just care about "me me me".
Once again, look at a 2 year nursing/2 year xray, trade based work, and you'll see the salaries they pull in vs your line worker at 20+ years of experience who are slamming it every week.
Yeah I wonder why we can't employ people to work on a factory line... It's because we don't pay enough.
That's like me going down the street and asking a 2025 porche for 30k, a 2024 Rolex for 2k, or a house for 75k that won't have asbestos in it.
And why are so many people complaining about prices if the cost of having that job here in America will likely push the price up because those line workers need to live and not struggle just to put food on the table and pay for their rent. What would you do if you knew in 6 to years of working that line work you'll likely be in debt and have no savings and not have enough to afford medical/dental procedures... You're going to get pissed off and quit because it's not logical to work at that point.
We will bitch about gas price and eggs, and all of this stuff, but we won't think of the human behind the process that also needs to live if we want our aspirations to become true. We just care about "me me me".
Once again, look at a 2 year nursing/2 year xray, trade based work, and you'll see the salaries they pull in vs your line worker at 20+ years of experience who are slamming it every week.
Yeah I wonder why we can't employ people to work on a factory line... It's because we don't pay enough.
That's like me going down the street and asking a 2025 porche for 30k, a 2024 Rolex for 2k, or a house for 75k that won't have asbestos in it.
The problem is supposed to self correct. Lower wages attract less people and wages need to go up to attract a work force.
Our model is broken because the government and businesses allow and (a times) encourage far too many immigrants for the time period. Unlimited unskilled workers drive labor prices down and drag everything with it.
My 2¢ YMMV
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Yeah, but, but what about the penguins!
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The unskilled workers are the issue, but the unskilled workers are doing the job for cheaper. The cost of the product when the immigrants work here isn't going down.
Yet when I go to the local immigrant tire shop I can get it 1/3 the price of Walmart / Discount tire. Plus it's not retreated. How are the immigrants the issue if it's the company setting the prices.
The same goes for local immigrant restraints. I can pay $7-8 for something McDonald's will charge me 15+ for. I can pay the immigrant who has the same cost of living as an American roofing company exponentially less for the same quality work. Why would I choose the American when they will charge me more for the same quality? Lets not talk about window installations.
Look at the independent scene: Natural Americans are still charging more than a Legal immigrant keyword. The immigrant offers better pricing at the same quality at least in my area, so why would I go with an American who's going to 3x the price?
Why would I pay so much more just for an ethnicity?
Lamborghini beat Ferrari due to the clutch, Ferrari spat on Lamborghini because he was a "guy who made tractors". Yet we can see which company holds dominance...
TSMC spat on Qualcomm, Nvidia on AMD, Intel on AMD, Mcdonalds on Burgerking, why are all the small guys getting spat on and reaching the same status as the big guy? Because they offer quality and affordability. In capitalism the idea is quality/cost dependence which can include special features.
That is what general consumers and even high-end consumers look at. Just look at the history of Efraim Diveroli (The movie war dogs is inspired on) he beat out most of your big boy defense contractors on Gov contracts...
Can you reason it logically, please?
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The root cause of the lack of a living wage is the fact that the dollar isn't worth shit anymore. And THAT is self-inflicted! Our overlord's just want rich and poor. No middle class. President Trump is trying to rectify this, and the useful idiots are too stupid to realize it. IMO
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I won't disagree with you. I think it's due to the brain drain policy America has been operating on; though,the brain-drain policy is a core concept to capitalism.
If I can offer you 80k when your work is worth 300k+ to me, but you want to be a citizen I can simply offer you 80k + citizenship and you won't ask where the other 220k is. Meanwhile, Americans I believe in the future will have to leave home and work out of the country to gain experience, then come back once they have the experience.
I believe it's due to the capitalistic nature of America which is why companies are so greedy and we need to own a yacht or a 8 million dollar house instead of producing that money back to normal families. We just need to keep cycling the money between the guys in luxury/top companies while trickling down the money.
Go look at the payments of those luxury companies such as yachts/watches/ect and you'll see they pay their employees like ass and pocket everything else in the top. It's a money wash.
They want you to be poor and in-debt so you work for cheaper because you just want to live; this is why I personally said it many times. If I was 30 and I wasn't making over 60k a year, I would not be here typing. I took risk when I was younger and it paid off. I won't sit in a 9-5 every single day to make 1.9 million (avg American earnings in an entire lifetime) for the economy, and just live in poverty and struggle and not receive an enjoyable life in return.
If I'm working, if you're working, if anyone is working they deserve to have a good life, not be in debt, not be in outright poverty. You should be able to get your teeth fixed, and your health managed and taken care of if you work your 40 hours a week. It shouldn't become debt to have the basics of life covered when you work 40 hours a week.
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When you have someone with a 2 year education pushing a button for an x-ray machine making more than someone who has 20 years of experience on a line producing for society compared to just taking an x-ray... yeah something is fucked up.
Avg x-ray tech in my area about 110k, and Manual labor line factory worker is about 50k (Hi-col).
the difference between the 2 is one person got 2 years of education. The factory worker does more work and has to work harder, the x-ray tech just walks into a private practice/hospital and clicks a button. if something goes wrong they call a toll-free number and get a technician sent out, and the doctor micromanages them telling them where to point this little tube to get an x-ray...
then the x-ray tech ( the few I know, bitch about how hard their job is that they have to walk around a little bit). x-ray tech is similar to retail without dealing with customers. You put the reflective material on some, push button, next. (It's a blanket-like thing most of the time). repeat over and over..
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My view:
America is now a country where you need to be born in a good family (That's why I'm pro-abortion/suicide). If you don't have a good family or some type of ability to get higher education (likely due to your working situation) then you won't achieve the American dream. I'm not going to be egotistical when I say it... nobody deserves to have dental pain, nobody deserves medical pain, and nobody deserves to be homeless if they do their 40 hours a week. This economy relies on people being in debt to keep them working and go beyond the 40 hours a week via being over-employed... aka having 2 jobs.
No Republican deserves it, no Democrat deserves it. Anti-Suicide campaigns are there to make you feel good about being in a shitty position where you have no way to escape. There's a reason why anti-suicide is big inside of low-economic zones/workplaces. You are beneficial to be kept alive even if the government needs to fund anti-depressants or mental health resources because your work has the highest margin of return/need for society.
When you see anti-suicide pushes it's because they know people are fed up with conditions and working towards no furtherance of a goal in life besides wake up, work, and die. We are in late-stage capitalism and it gets more apparent every single day with how the right/left fight, yet we both hold the same values in heart.
We want this country to thrive. We want people to be happy, but when you're working 40+ hours a week to just barraly make ends meet it's not worth it. You're providing so much for society and getting so little back. When you don't have the ability to propel yourself up into a spot worth living why even live? If you know the odds of your kid having a good life is less than 30% why even have them be born...so they can be in the same sick system as you? That's why I advertise financial success before children, and if you can't have children...then just adopt once you achieve financial success. That's exactly why I'm pro-abortion, pro-assisted suicide, anti-propaganda when it comes to economic and quality of life matters.
Avg x-ray tech in my area about 110k, and Manual labor line factory worker is about 50k (Hi-col).
the difference between the 2 is one person got 2 years of education. The factory worker does more work and has to work harder, the x-ray tech just walks into a private practice/hospital and clicks a button. if something goes wrong they call a toll-free number and get a technician sent out, and the doctor micromanages them telling them where to point this little tube to get an x-ray...
then the x-ray tech ( the few I know, bitch about how hard their job is that they have to walk around a little bit). x-ray tech is similar to retail without dealing with customers. You put the reflective material on some, push button, next. (It's a blanket-like thing most of the time). repeat over and over..
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My view:
America is now a country where you need to be born in a good family (That's why I'm pro-abortion/suicide). If you don't have a good family or some type of ability to get higher education (likely due to your working situation) then you won't achieve the American dream. I'm not going to be egotistical when I say it... nobody deserves to have dental pain, nobody deserves medical pain, and nobody deserves to be homeless if they do their 40 hours a week. This economy relies on people being in debt to keep them working and go beyond the 40 hours a week via being over-employed... aka having 2 jobs.
No Republican deserves it, no Democrat deserves it. Anti-Suicide campaigns are there to make you feel good about being in a shitty position where you have no way to escape. There's a reason why anti-suicide is big inside of low-economic zones/workplaces. You are beneficial to be kept alive even if the government needs to fund anti-depressants or mental health resources because your work has the highest margin of return/need for society.
When you see anti-suicide pushes it's because they know people are fed up with conditions and working towards no furtherance of a goal in life besides wake up, work, and die. We are in late-stage capitalism and it gets more apparent every single day with how the right/left fight, yet we both hold the same values in heart.
We want this country to thrive. We want people to be happy, but when you're working 40+ hours a week to just barraly make ends meet it's not worth it. You're providing so much for society and getting so little back. When you don't have the ability to propel yourself up into a spot worth living why even live? If you know the odds of your kid having a good life is less than 30% why even have them be born...so they can be in the same sick system as you? That's why I advertise financial success before children, and if you can't have children...then just adopt once you achieve financial success. That's exactly why I'm pro-abortion, pro-assisted suicide, anti-propaganda when it comes to economic and quality of life matters.
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Trump and Vance negotiate with a penguin
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Oh, and about that 'Tariffs are fascist video' that @DarkNoon posted, Vlad isn't calling the Trump admin fascist in any way, he even strongly advises against it in the video. He does however point it out as a fascist tendency because of the fact that one motivation (many, not all, some use economic motivations) seems to be to simply chock and "own" the rest of the world to make deals in a move that's a lot more politically motivated than actually economically motivated, which has been a common trend in facist countries. Actually throwing around facism as some kind of buzzword throws off real political discussion.
I did not post any video in this thread. I just went and skimmed through all 4 pages to double check. I did however see a few other people post videos. Me? No. Not in this thread at least.
I just tripple checked now every page. Your confusing me with someone else. I agree with you. I don't use the term fascist. Even durring my hot political days on here I use words like authoritarian or autocratic to describe Trump and his actions NOT fascist. Fascist is a played out word, definitely agree.
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that's not explaining anything in concise detail besides saying immigrants are the ONLY problem. It's a surface-level issue that's used to gather people around a singular point. My statement encompasses many different factors that are leading to the issue. Beyond the tariffs, beyond the individual level. this isn't a singular group's issue. It's an outright societal issue that's beyond the minute topic.
I simply want you to not blame an individual grouping for the issues in society and look at the structure or framework that's causing it.
The immigrants aren't the issue, it's how the workweek is no longer supplementing a basic living thus Americans choose not to work as hard. You can see exactly that with the youth workforce and their statements on the economy. Following that companies will bitch and complain nobody wants to work for low wages. Immigrants will fill up 1-3 of these jobs because if we are being honest most have a lot of kids and they don't want their kids to die. most Americans will do the same if they aren't solo/duo (relationship). When you have a child before financial independence you subject yourself to the aforementioned issue of shitty work and having to deal with it, instead of being able to remove yourself from it via non-compliance or killing yourself.
Next, what happens in the upper level is in our system you are rewarded for cutting cost (look at elon, checks and balances are being slashed). You can cut the price of this material by 50% who gives a fuck if it causes cancer somehow in 20 years... it's cheap now here's a contract. oops, we have no research on this area of study (keep in mind this still happens and it sickens me). You'll have a company approach you like "Yeah I got all this data, yeah we tested nuclear exposure, yeah we tested complications on the human heart if we do blank this way, we tested the data on mental health awareness and workforce retention and increased profits/self-suicide date...oh yeah we did testing on suicide causation with number of children being a determining factor within the low wage population". Yet, many won't tell you how they get the data of the more sick activities. people just want the data and ethics are thrown out the window 9/10.
So when we are looking to DOGE things out how are you expecting jobs to increase, or are you want the low-wage jobs to increase? it'll just make those jobs have a smaller group fight for those roles thus making people undercut each other and let the company profit. that's why educated work is still available for STEM/Non-liberal arts based degrees, and it pays really good. the reason why many people can't get that is due to a shitty ass family that boots them at 18 or won't offer them some type of financial help/support to go to college (as the child goes and works a job or so) because it's beyond hard to work fulltime and do a stem/non-la degree.
Beautiful point: The US military... offers about 25k bonuses- 50k bonuses for NUKE over 6 years: aka not even 20k yoy bonus for a in demand field that requires a security clearance and at the same time you're not pulling over 80k a year. A highly technical thing and they are nice enough to pay you shitty ass base pay plus 50k over 6 years? What about infantry, 25k bonus baby..WOAH 25k over 4 years. The US military offers 80k bonus over 6 years for cyber-related degrees. yet you're still going to make under the industry average as even a fresher.
When the us military is also experiencing the issue, in fact they are likely getting it worse due to not meeting recruitment goals and still being unable to pay something competitive even when "the workforce goes up when the available applicants goes down".
let me highlight the fact, what you're pulling in the military is like 50k (if you have that 80k bonus) starting as a cyber based role (basic it is not included in this because they don't really give a bonus for basic it aka 25 b-based roles). Meanwhile, in the industry, you'd make and likely clear 110k in hicol, and 80k in local.
Basic math here:
(military) 50*6 = 300k (and I"m likely overshooting.
private hicol = 110*6 = 660k (oh baby private doubled the pay).
private local = 80*6= 480k (Oh wow an extra 180k....)
not even the us military who's strapped can compete.
So where is the issue TORCH. The military isn't paying well, the private market isn't paying well. When can we admit we are in late-stage capitalism and the majority of our way to success is :
Being born into a good family who's not poor, who won't boot you at 18, and not being trapped to work in low-end work due to the aforementioned family situation, and being able to attain a degree and not fuck around and get it in some stupid liberal arts degree.
You have to look at all indicators for the issue, you can't just blame a group when even areas where you can't really have immigrants is fucked up.
The issue isn't tariffs, the issue isn't immigrants. It's the way our economic system is based and now we are feeling the pain of it because most people can't afford the basics due to rising costs which are caused by nobody wanting to do the lower end work here.
when all you see is a % on the stock market and the board makes a decision on that % and fucks up the economy/working conditions for a few extra % a year... when they are ALREADY BALLING THEIR ASS OFF yeah... there's something fucked up going on. Colleges are trying to combat this with ethics classes injected into degrees, but why will the youth do it, if the elders aren't already? Sure you can slowly cull this mentality, but it will take a lot of generations. The issue is the economic system and what the SYSTEM values. It's not immigrants.
The entire concept of capitalism is rotten and the door is getting kicked in just like many ideologies before ours. When you remove the idea of human life is special, when you remove the idea that if someone is working 40+ hours a week and following your system yet they get treated like shit and can't have a good life in your system... people get pissed off and your workforce will selectively choose not to work anymore or participate in activities which boost the economy. When the feedback loop breaks it's hard to continue the spiral upward and that feedback loop has broken at the base: giving a good life to those work and creating fear with "god" that if you kill yourself you're going to have eternal damnation.
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I have witnessed this firsthand. My wife and I have friends in Texas who we visit regularly/. One time they were getting a deck built and had two Mexicans working for them. Out of curiosity I asked how much it was costing them to hire them. Well, they were working for a wage that where I live for one worker would be three times what they were paying for two. Apparently, there is a corner in the town where they live where the migrants gather every morning and all you have to do is go there and tell them what kind of work you want done and the ones who are skilled at doing it would hop in the back of the truck for a day's work.
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Wow! Looks like people really want waste, fraud and corruption in government.