Reuters: Trump meets with four top congressional leaders on Monday, a day before a potential government shutdown.
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There are only 12 hours left until a US government shutdown takes effect if a deal is not been reached.
️️Trump: It looks like a government shutdown is coming.
SHUTDOWN BEGINS️Federal agencies directed to begin carrying out plans to close as US government shutdown activated after the Senate failed to pass funding bills, paving way for government shutdown.
️SHUTDOWN BEGINS️
Shutdown hits D.C. tourist destinations, federal workers but essential services persist.
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Shutdown hits D.C. tourist destinations, federal workers but essential services persist
Expect some of the best attractions the District has to offer to get shuttered in a government shutdown.
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A government shutdown is here, and the partisan messaging wars over who is to blame are in full swing with no sign of compromise.
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Federal government shutting down; Democrats and GOP blame each other, vie for public support
A government shutdown is here, and the partisan messaging wars over who is to blame are in full swing with no sign of compromise.
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The US government shut down much of its operations on October 1 as deep partisan divisions prevented Congress and the White House from reaching a funding deal, setting off what could be a standoff that could lead to the loss of thousands of federal jobs.
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US government shutdown begins as partisan division rules Washington
The U.S. government shut down much of its operations, setting off what could be a long, grueling standoff that could lead to the loss of thousands of federal jobs.
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The dollar sank to a one-week low against major currencies as a US government shutdown unsettled markets and threatened to delay key jobs data, seen as crucial for Federal Reserve policy decisions.
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From The Associated Press:
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An interesting section from this article actually calls out Democrats for picking this fight, something unusual in mainstream news. Though the article does provide a justification as to why Democrats have picked this fight. It mentions that Republicans have refused to negotiate, but does not provide an explanation for that position. I expect that from mainstream news.
Government shutdown begins as nation faces new period of uncertainty
The government shutdown has begun. And it’s plunging the U.S. into a fresh cycle of uncertainty. President Donald Trump and Congress failed to strike an agreement to keep government programs and services running by Wednesday’s deadline.
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An interesting section from this article actually calls out Democrats for picking this fight, something unusual in mainstream news. Though the article does provide a justification as to why Democrats have picked this fight. It mentions that Republicans have refused to negotiate, but does not provide an explanation for that position. I expect that from mainstream news.
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Time for the dollar limbo, how low can it go?
Attempts to end the government shutdown that began overnight have been unsuccessful.
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Shocker.
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Congressional leaders and White House refuse to compromise on first day of shutdown
Attempts to end the government shutdown that began overnight have been unsuccessful. Democrats are refusing to vote without ensuring health care subsidies and Republicans say they won't negotiate until funding is secure. Federal workers are either on the job without pay or temporarily furloughed...
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Shocker.
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And in a nod to micro level hyper partisanship, when you visit some federal websites, you are greeted with a banner blaming the "radical left Democrats" for the shutdown. Screenshot below from Home | US Forest Service
The grammar is not even correct.
The grammar is not even correct.
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Idk if this has been posted I dont see it, not sure if this is even the right sub forum, but it’s of great relevance to aviation.
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The government shutdown is causing air traffic control staffing shortages at U.S. airports
At Hollywood Burbank Airport on Monday night, the air traffic control tower was left unmanned for roughly six hours due to a staffing shortage.
That’s no big deal. Most airports are either completely uncontrolled or the tower works ~14 hours. That why you need a license. To know how to operate in the absence of a controller.Idk if this has been posted I dont see it, not sure if this is even the right sub forum, but it’s of great relevance to aviation.
The government shutdown is causing air traffic control staffing shortages at U.S. airports
At Hollywood Burbank Airport on Monday night, the air traffic control tower was left unmanned for roughly six hours due to a staffing shortage.
No doubt about though it is safer either a tower open.
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In airports like Burbank and LAX or other high traffic airports, air traffic control is essential, just because it can run for a little bit without it doesn’t mean that risk of accidents hasn’t increased by orders of magnitude.
Burbank and LAX are worlds apart. LAX and say Dulles. Both have huge airports and complex airspace. LAX is a serious handfull driving in and out at rush-hour. Burbank is just a small airport that provides auxiliary rail service to LA.
Flying in and out of it is the simple. Is it better with a tower? Sure just like I having a lifeguard on a beach, any beach it makes it safer. In this example LAX has a killer under toe and needs world class swimmers to serve as lifeguards meanwhile Burbank has a tide and that’s about it.
Honestly, most of the time in these low traffic airports, it’s easier without a tower. My airport has a runway long enough that they can and did land the space shuttle on it. They close the tower at night, doesn’t bother me.
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I was under the impression that Burbank is a relatively busy airport that is still relatively high traffic(and high amounts of planes in the air in general). You obviously know more than me, but I was under the impression Burbank was still significantly higher traffic than municipal type airports. (Fun irrelevant fact, we might be some of the only people here who have flown in a small aircraft, my dad used to work at a municipal airport)
This article here says some flights were delayed:
I’ll defer to you on this if it’s not that big of a deal, but I thought SoCal airports were mostly intertwined enough it’s all the same heavy traffic in a lot of areas.
I hear LAX is a bitch to drive to but I’ve only actually driven to 1 (major) airport in my life, being SeaTac, so I can’t speak to it.
You are 1) correct 2) mostly correct.
It’s a busy medium airport with lots of movements (aviation for TO and landings, not moving around the field )
Burbank is close (enough for the subject) to and underlying some seriously busy airspace. Having a freaking stroke if the Controller were missing would be understated.
Lower altitude or inside the Airports traffic area or class D airspace in becomes less and less important with fewer and fewer movements. There are very detailed procedures that pilots must memorize and follow all the while taking to each other or even to themselves if no one if the Control Zone if it is nearly empty.
Having the Tower manned is ideal, but its kinda like driving in a city with a power failure: all lights and intersections become All Way Stops. Except flying you end up dead.
Think about the mid air in DC. Having No Controller present would probably saved everyone’s lives. The controller would not be there so he would be unable to continue NOT doing his job. The Helicopter crew would have been low level because there would have been no Controller to ask to go higher, and the TWO aircraft in the Pattern would have spoken directly to the helicopter crew.
I’m not really off subject because this example happens daily across the country from radio failures to power outage. Even hundreds of thousands of times of times a year.
It just doesn’t happen that often at major airports due to multiple redundancies on equipment, power and personnel.
Your issue is a valid one and concerning. The actual example was not the best in the article. It was carefully worded to elicit a response. It took three of the busiest airports in the country, and then threw in Burbank as if it was the same level of airport or air space.
It would be like talking about Navy Carrier Test Pilots, NASA Space Test Pilots and Air Force Global test pilots along with little ole me, test piloting an aircraft in Pecan Island ( pronounced PEE-can) Louisiana, because I hung an oil cooler onto the spray rig of my my Ag Cat or Jet Ranger. For clarity that’s me grabbing some craftsman tools and some auto parts from NAPA and Auto Zone and hanging them on my aircraft and then flying 200 mph and around pulling G’s and seeing if something falls off before the customer shows up in 15 minutes….
( While I am not going to talk about my Branch or specifics. The Boss and Staff have full access to my records and licenses. I am completely qualified to give a totally wrong answer here. Military Aviator, Crash Dummy, Military Intelligence Officer and Sworn Sheriffs Deputy. Ratings include: Commercial Instrument, fixed and rotary wing, ICAO and FAA. Aviation Accident Prevention and Crash Investigator, US Military, NTSB. CDL class A Hazmat.
So here’s the bottom:
•Controllers working their multi state Centers at altitude) missing or short, very very bad. Flight will be cancelled.
•Approach Controllers: very seem to understate the problem. Many places that need app/dep controls do not have them. Those that do, really do. Also many times they are covering more than one task, so missing them gets worse. Many flight delayed, some cancelled.
•Tower operators: Can go either way.
Busiest Airports would immediately close. Slowest/smallest that even have one, wouldn't care.
Medium airports with small commuter flights would either panic or not care. If they only have one aircraft, then it’s not a problem is it. If they have two in or out at the same time AND they are both commercial passenger then it’s a problem, sorta. That’s a perceived problem that the public or insurance might not like but is not illegal. Add more and it’s a problem. Many delays as airspace is manually cleared (one per 5 mile circle at a time).
Small airports. “Huh? I didn’t even know we had one.” is going to be the type of response
I know TLDR. Thank you for your time and consideration.
“Torch is exiting the class D airspace to the north. Good day”
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Ha ha sorry when I said “Drive” I meant from the front seats in the aircraft, as in
"Come on, Mav, do some of that pilot shit!"
My bad. I was dictating and that’s the way I and others refer to working (aviating) quite often.