Lest we forget

[william]

9/11

 

[Torch]

 

[william]

Does this

Remind you of this

 

[Librarylady]

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Those of us who were living in NYC back then did NOT forget. WE did NOT vote for Mamdani! He was voted in by people who've moved into the city within the past 20 years. Mainly a mix of young young people from around the country and immigrants -- many of them from the Middle East. We have ZERO say in who moves here or who votes in our elections.

 

[GBS61]

Those of us who were living in NYC back then did NOT forget. WE did NOT vote for Mamdani! He was voted in by people who've moved into the city within the past 20 years. Mainly a mix of young young people from around the country and immigrants -- many of them from the Middle East. We have ZERO say in who moves here or who votes in our elections.

It is a matter of statistics:
Non-Hispanic Whites: 33.8%. Historically, they have been the most represented group in boroughs such as Manhattan and Staten Island.
36.6% of current New York City residents were born abroad.
As of 2026, the average number of children per woman in New York stands at approximately 1.50. This fertility rate (or total fertility rate) places the region well below the replacement level, estimated at 2.1 children per woman.

In 20 years, the gap will widen.

 

[Librarylady]

There are plenty of newer ethnicities that share the same values as old-time New Yorkers and have added a lot of vibrancy (and great food). They're immigrants who, like my grandparents, want to be Americans. But there are also some who look down on our culture and values and want to superimpose their own. It's unsettling to.watch the latter gain political power.

 

[Torch]

Those of us who were living in NYC back then did NOT forget. WE did NOT vote for Mamdani! He was voted in by people who've moved into the city within the past 20 years.

Sounds like “the city” (by a large majority) forgot.

I recommend fleeing. Just move out. You cannot “save it” as most people in NYC think there is nothing wrong

 

[Librarylady]

Sounds like “the city” (by a large majority) forgot.

I recommend fleeing. Just move out. You cannot “save it” as most people there think there is nothing wrong

I've thought about, believe me. It's complicated though. I've got an adult son with autism who needs services (those are hard to get outside of the city) and is in a transitions program. My younger son is in his senior year of h.s. and my mom is very frail and elderly and can't be moved from her assisted living facility. Also, I've never learned to drive....

We are seriously considering getting out though and moving somewhere upstate,maybe in a year or two, if circumstances permit. Things are really going downhill here.

 

[Torch]

I've thought about, believe me. It's complicated though. I've got an adult son with autism who needs services (those are hard to get outside of the city

Ok I was about to take you to task with that statement, as I have a family member with Autism who gets profound level of support but….

Also, I've never learned to drive....

You stumped me. Most young drivers have learned a great deal though observation of their parents. The remaining information they absorb like sponges. (They fail to assimilate most of it until they are in their 20’s and have had their second friend pass)

Its sounds rough. You definitely will have your tasks laid out for you. I do hope you can move. I recommend moving to Florida. I know its a meme wait right there but its a popular move with the freedom seeking City expatriates. I moved to Florida for a number of years. Its a fine state, just crowded. That however will never be an issue for a Plisskenite.

 

[Publius]

I've thought about, believe me. It's complicated though. I've got an adult son with autism who needs services (those are hard to get outside of the city) and is in a transitions program. My younger son is in his senior year of h.s. and my mom is very frail and elderly and can't be moved from her assisted living facility. Also, I've never learned to drive....

We are seriously considering getting out though and moving somewhere upstate,maybe in a year or two, if circumstances permit. Things are really going downhill here.

This might seem counter intuitive but just something to consider. You have never learned to drive which to me indicates you were born and lived in the city “city”.
Not a thing wrong with that and we all have to be somewhere.

Transitioning to rural of flyover country would be quite a challenge but doable.

Obviously wait till youngest graduates.
Most smaller towns and cities don’t have Public Transportation and most are also bedroom communities. There rural suburbs to larger cities nearby for services.

Think small university towns. They will customarily have train service and regional airport, small towns with universities will see “some” cultural activities have a rudimentary public transport system because of student population.
Look to temperate states with low snowfall. If you do learn to drive you do not want to learn to drive in snow late in life let alone have to walk to the store for milk through snow.
Driving in snow and ice is more akin to piloting a boat with lots of hard objects in the water to avoid.
University towns Also more likely to see their roads set up for bike traffic.
in many rural areas even in town lots of people will actually use side by sides or golf carts to run errands in town. Even just to go for a drive in the country side.
Most states is largely unregulated at state level. It’s left at local discretion. Any roads under 35 mph, rural paved or graveled secondary roads it is all allowed. Not highway unless just for short distances.

Hang in there with your sons and that whole caregiver thing. It can wear a person down. Also regarding university towns you’re going to see more specialized health and counseling services. Especially true if it has a med or nursing school attached to it.

 

[Librarylady]

This might seem counter intuitive but just something to consider. You have never learned to drive which to me indicates you were born and lived in the city “city”.
Not a thing wrong with that and we all have to be somewhere.

Transitioning to rural of flyover country would be quite a challenge but doable.

Obviously wait till youngest graduates.
Most smaller towns and cities don’t have Public Transportation and most are also bedroom communities. There rural suburbs to larger cities nearby for services.

Think small university towns. They will customarily have train service and regional airport, small towns with universities will see “some” cultural activities have a rudimentary public transport system because of student population.
Look to temperate states with low snowfall. If you do learn to drive you do not want to learn to drive in snow late in life let alone have to walk to the store for milk through snow.
Driving in snow and ice is more akin to piloting a boat with lots of hard objects in the water to avoid.
University towns Also more likely to see their roads set up for bike traffic.
in many rural areas even in town lots of people will actually use side by sides or golf carts to run errands in town. Even just to go for a drive in the country side.
Most states is largely unregulated at state level. It’s left at local discretion. Any roads under 35 mph, rural paved or graveled secondary roads it is all allowed. Not highway unless just for short distances.

Hang in there with your sons and that whole caregiver thing. It can wear a person down. Also regarding university towns you’re going to see more specialized health and counseling services. Especially true if it has a med or nursing school attached to it.

That's good advice. Yes, I was born and raised in the city. My husband drives (he's from out West) but I've never learned. I'm fine not going places, etc -- ever since the lockdown I've tended to be a bit of a recluse anyway. Your point about snow is excellent! Unfortunately, we have to stay somewhere in the state because of services,Medicaid, etc, for my son. The warmer states have terrible services and up to 15 year waiting lists for Medicaid for special needs. I've been investigating possibilities in-state,though. My plan would be just to hunker down for most of the winter, I guess?

 

[Torch]

This might seem counter intuitive but just something to consider. You have never learned to drive which to me indicates you were born and lived in the city “city”.
Not a thing wrong with that and we all have to be somewhere.

Transitioning to rural of flyover country would be quite a challenge but doable.

Obviously wait till youngest graduates.
Most smaller towns and cities don’t have Public Transportation and most are also bedroom communities. There rural suburbs to larger cities nearby for services.

Think small university towns. They will customarily have train service and regional airport, small towns with universities will see “some” cultural activities have a rudimentary public transport system because of student population.
Look to temperate states with low snowfall. If you do learn to drive you do not want to learn to drive in snow late in life let alone have to walk to the store for milk through snow.
Driving in snow and ice is more akin to piloting a boat with lots of hard objects in the water to avoid.
University towns Also more likely to see their roads set up for bike traffic.
in many rural areas even in town lots of people will actually use side by sides or golf carts to run errands in town. Even just to go for a drive in the country side.
Most states is largely unregulated at state level. It’s left at local discretion. Any roads under 35 mph, rural paved or graveled secondary roads it is all allowed. Not highway unless just for short distances.

Hang in there with your sons and that whole caregiver thing. It can wear a person down. Also regarding university towns you’re going to see more specialized health and counseling services. Especially true if it has a med or nursing school attached to it.

New Olreans is very amenable to public trans: buses Trains Taxis and even a steam locomotive in the City park. While the park is nowhere near Centrals size it is big enough for the aforementioned steam engine and it hosted The Beatles in an outdoor performance (their last one).

Plus it a really cool place to live. They even had the population density if assisted and homed living to start out and exceed NYC’s mortality rate beginning Covid, the Americas experience. We also keep a leeoer colony about a hour up river, so that can be handy(?).

Just thinking of a big city to ease your maga city withdrawals.

@Publius is dead on about a college town!