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🗣️ | US-Israel (&) Iran-Lebanon | Regional "All-out" Hostiles May Resume Shortly | ANALYSIS OF REPORTS

Now watch as these talks fall through and another huge operation is announced and is then canceled again. Bonus points if Iran publicly holds a completely consistent position of, no concessions, no compromise, no negotiation while the US flip flops on whether they're totally on board with all terms or begging for war by the hour.
 
This just feels like more of the same game.

I know that some have argued that this deal/no deal back and forth is market manipulation designed to line pockets of rich cats. I never discounted that argument; however, I thought the back and forth was more a symptom of Trump's approach to high stakes negotiations. But if this apparent "deal" goes nowhere, the market manipulation hypothesis will start carrying more weight in my mind.

www.cnbc.com

Trump claims Iran war settled 'subject to finalization,' expects signing in 'next few days'

Hours earlier, Trump warned that the U.S. would attack Iran "VERY HARD TONIGHT" and soon take over Iran's oil infrastructure assets, including Kharg Island.
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Peter Griffin said:
This means nothing until the IRGC corroborates it. Abbas Araghchi does not represent the Iranian government anymore, he represents the suits that have been let out to pasture while their country goes through a power vacuum.
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Pretty much. Unless the IRGC is on board, it means nothing.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Pretty much. Unless the IRGC is on board, it means nothing.
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Him coming out and saying this might point towards a bigger sentiment in Iran to stop the conflict. I'd bet there are a couple different internal factions with overlapping authority. The IRGC has never been making this much money though, they might be more keen to accept a deal in their favor in regards to the tollage. They might just accept the win, recoup their losses, and improve what they need to with their new found funds. Play nice till the claws are sharp, and then sink them into Iraq and Syria.
 
You know until a deal is signed there is pretty much nothing to report on.
I don’t understand the repeated deal no deal, there might be a negotiations related reasoning for it. “A way to cause division or strife internally in Iran.” But that is just a stop gap theory.
There is a political wall both sides are facing. Not the same impact or timeline for either. So we have to wait. I would only once again point out that this is an opportunity to see the ayatollah’s and IRGC removed. So one can approach this all as an opportunity to criticize a president you don’t like. Root against the US, or hope the IRGC stays in power.

The facts are we don’t know all that is happening and the dynamics involved.

I have found it illuminating who would rather see the status quo of proxy terrorist being sponsored with missiles to be used against a growing list of neighboring countries in the region. As well as an unquestionable unknown over Irans development of nuclear weapons.

20 years of doing the same thing and the only thing you can do now is criticize a new approach?
 
GBS61 said:
CNN noted that this is the 38th time since the start of the conflict that Donald Trump has announced an imminent agreement with Tehran.

Financial market manipulation?
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Yes. This is a phenomenon that can actually be tracked by comparing dates of Trump announcements with market activity, especially polymarkets. This is no longer a theory, and is a war crime, in my humble opinion.
 
RiffRaff said:
Yes. This is a phenomenon that can actually be tracked by comparing dates of Trump announcements with market activity, especially polymarkets. This is no longer a theory, and is a war crime, in my humble opinion.
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If it is someone directly involved in the decision making it would very likely be criminal.
War crime is kinda hyperbolic.
It could also be individuals not directly involved in the decision making process or timing, but have breaking and accurate info on timing.
I’m not saying something criminal is not being perpetrated by individuals directly linked to the administration. I can’t know that. There certainly an indication someone had access information and timing. But who? That also at this time can’t be know.
 
RiffRaff said:
Yes. This is a phenomenon that can actually be tracked by comparing dates of Trump announcements with market activity, especially polymarkets. This is no longer a theory, and is a war crime, in my humble opinion.
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Grounds for impeachment, again? In your opinion how will the Democrats handle the Iran war when they gain power again?
 
Publius said:
If it is someone directly involved in the decision making it would very likely be criminal.
War crime is kinda hyperbolic.
It could also be individuals not directly involved in the decision making process or timing, but have breaking and accurate info on timing.
I’m not saying something criminal is not being perpetrated by individuals directly linked to the administration. I can’t know that. There certainly an indication someone had access information and timing. But who? That also at this time can’t be know.
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That was just for last month.
 
william said:
Grounds for impeachment, again? In your opinion how will the Democrats handle the Iran war when they gain power again?
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It would probably be just as bad or much worse depending on who pursues it, but what does a good outcome that is ACTUALLY feasible without any concessions or consequences look like, anyways?
 
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