2/3 Top French Presidential Hopefuls to Step Back From US/NATO, Toward RF

[Doc]

I think it is a testament to that the human collective consciousness is easy to control, but notoriously hard to stay in control of. It has to be a process of constant renewal. Costly and demanding.

Perhaps not as demanding as one might expect. Effective rebellions appear rarely homegrown. Even the American Revolution was sponsored by the Spanish and French, who were engaged in a cold war and periodically "hot war" with Britain. The Spanish and French supplied arms, equipment, training and mercenaries (hybrid warfare) to opposition forces in America, and France later aided the effort through direct use of its soldiers. The Americans were just "Spanish-backed rebels" and "French-backed rebels" during the American Revolutionary War.

The "US-backed rebels" in Syria, in Libya, in Ukraine, in the Soviet Bloc, these situations are no different. One might then argue that its is easy for a government to control its population, but it's also easy for other actors to control your population. Maintaining control is costly, but that's largely because one has to contend with the investments which other actors are making in their attempts to destabilize you.

Important here to note the difference between controlling the acts and the thoughts of a people. I concurr that a rebellion is costly and will happen only when sponsored. I can't think of any exception in modern times. But having the cash is no guarantee for a revolution. To produce a desired set of actions you need a desired set of insentives, meaning a desired set of thoughts. To gain support for your rebellion, all you need to do is plant discontent and your solution. That is easy if you have the means. Holding on to that power, however, might be more difficult according to Machiavelli. He writes in "The Prince" chapter III:

"...the danger presented for the principal is first of all the natural and reasonable fact that humans often exchange masters when they belive that it will alter their own positions to the better. This is why they sometimes arm themselves against their old masters, but more often than not become victims of their own self-deception, as they soon experience that everything changed for the worse."

(my translation, sorry for any mishaps)

The mechanism as described above is notoriously hard to suppress even if no outside force is interfering. Discontent humans quickly start fantasizing about better things, better systems and better governments. I think this is what is happening in France. And the US. A new breed of parasites, politicians and foreign powers, are quickly there to pray on it, but they are not the primus motors of said discontent.

Noone is sponsoring the growing contempt for politicians in Europe, there were no full page adds in European papers in the 90ies saying: "your politicians are oligarcs selected because of their below average intelligence". Yet these thoughts have been on the rise on a magnitude quite substantial for a number of years and was there long before the new breed (to which lePen belong) arrived on stage. Is this the consumer-narcissist finding it distasteful to pay for millions of refugees just to have their cars stolen or is this a manifestation of common sense?. I would be reluctant to conclude without extensive research.

If a rebellion comes, however, it is surely because someone paid for it. I don't think we disagree at all about that. You can observe both RT, lobbyists and a new breed of politicians catering to this "new" atmosphere. But I would argue that the thoughts at the core of any future rebellion would be just as much a product of the mechanisms of discontent, as a product of psyop. I belive it was the late dr. Goebbels who said that the relationship between propaganda and reality is that good propaganda simply predates the actual events.

I'm sure you are quite right in that the American revolution was sponsored. But it might be that this was possible due to a general dislike of King George and various british trading companies. Enhanced perhaps by newspapers sponsored by the French? Just as someone less than 20 years later sponsored revolutionary newspapers in France as the crops failed and Paris found Louis unskilled?

A major terrorist event in Paris would certainly be as fitting to the agenda of LePen in 2017, as the lack of bread was for États généraux in 1789.

 

[Navarro]

"French centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen clung on as frontrunners in France's tight presidential race on Tuesday, but the unpredictable outcome is pushing some pollsters to calculate the most extreme runoff scenarios. In the latest surprise twist to the two-round election, Jean-Luc Melenchon, a veteran of the far left who for most of the campaign has been dismissed as a distant no-hoper, has surged into the top four and lies just a few percentage points behind the leaders ... Macron has largely been seen as the favourite. Some investors are even weighing up the possibility of Melenchon making it into the second round against Le Pen, a scenario that would pit two polar opposites against each other and stand French politics on its head ... Elabe projected that Macron, a former banker and economy minister in a Socialist government, would go on to beat Le Pen comfortably in the May 7 runoff. Other polls have showed a similar picture ... An estimated one in three voters, however, remain undecided ... Melenchon's verve as a political showman, who uses strong rhetorical skills to call for a 100 percent tax on the rich and an exit from NATO, has made him a huge success on talk shows and televised debates ... Though Melenchon is on the polar opposite of the political spectrum from Le Pen, in particular on immigration, they both distrust the European Union, want to renegotiate France's role in it and to hold a referendum on EU membership"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-idUSKBN17D18R

 

[Navarro]

"French centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron promises, if he wins the presidential election, to resume talks with Russia to resolve the Syria and Ukraine crises, he said in an interview with Jeune Afrique weekly. 'Russia is a nation with great culture and glorious history,' Macron said. 'We used to be allies, including in times of the Soviet Union.' 'Nevertheless, there are no grounds to let Russia violate the norms of international law,' he added. 'I am ready to revive dialogue in order to resolve the crises in which Russia is involved (Ukraine and Syria),' Macron vowed. 'Also, I will be vigilantly defending our principles, without hostility but without compromises as well.' Macron is hopeful that unlike other presidential candidates, he will be able to win respect of Russian President Vladimir Putin. In addition, he emphasized that, in case he wins, he can facilitate removal of sanctions against Russia if 'Russia meets its commitments.'"
http://tass.com/world/941609

The politician's ability to speak so many words and yet to say nothing at all, is always an impressive feat.

 

[TSARBomba91]

Didn't Trump say he wanted a lesser part in NATO and changed his tune only recently?

If Le Pen wins it is in her best interest to stick with NATO if France leaves the EU. After all the EU all has been pushing for an Army of its own.

 

[Navarro]

"Emanuel Macron, the founder of the movement En Marche! (On the Move), has won in the first round of France’s presidential elections with 24.01% of the vote, France’s Interior Ministry said on Monday after counting 100% of ballots. Macron’s key rival, far-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen, has won 21.30% of votes."
http://tass.com/world/943002

 

[Doc]

An interesting correlation:

Poverty:

 

[Drumboy44]

To produce a desired set of actions you need a desired set of insentives, meaning a desired set of thoughts. To gain support for your rebellion, all you need to do is plant discontent and your solution.

If I may add, not only discontent but mistrust. Which is will aiguiser the sword.

 

[Zanting]

The politician's ability to speak so many words and yet to say nothing at all, is always an impressive feat.

Macron is basically the Rothschild's dog, like every conflict they have surmised, it initially was fabricated from nothing. Talk is cheap as they say, so, he will just reiterate what they have already been doing but with pleasant sounding words.

 

[rudemarine]

This will be the demise of Europe. If NATO scales back or dissolves so the French can be buddies with the Russians, they're gonna suffer for it. These nationalist movements are great, but cozying up to the Russians is a bad idea.

France has always been wishy washy politically but their military is arm and arm with the US no matter what. They have been since the Revolutionary war. When push comes to shove we have always been there for each other. They will lose a leader if that leader thinks they are going to snuggle with the bear.