That is false. We don't have enough people actually.
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Alarming Population Decline In The Developed World
- Thread starter Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱
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Not according to mother nature. Sure, for people, we are underpopulated. To nature, tens of millions of people in tightly packed cities is overpopulation. Because nature doesn't actually care what we think, nature naturally culls the population keeping it in check and we have largely fought it off, and that is the only reason we aren't very clearly overpopulated. When mother nature finally gets us, she'll get us.
Oh yea so nature has book that tells us exactly how we should be?
We need more people. As simple as that.
No. Earth is very big. In fact if you put all buildings on earth together it wouldn't be no bigger then the state of Rhoade Island.
How does this have to deal with not having enough people? In most of the world (except Africa) populations are declining sharply. More are dying then being born in the developed word.
Already in America their are alarming signs of worker shortages because the old have either retired or moved on/died. Not enough people to replace the skilled labor.
You can say all your hippie stuff about nature.... But we need more people. You clearly have not been reading real demographics of developed nations birth and alarming death rates compared.
The Earth's population is going to Plateau soon anyways once we reach 11 billion it's going to go down very sharply and very quickly as the old die out faster and faster without being replaced in the skilled labor markets as people have less and less kids.
ALMOST FORGOT. Most of the developed world now grows without growing their carbon footprint. For example Europe and America can raise their GDP and not depend on fossil fuels to sustain that growth.
It used to be that growth was met with an increase of pollution. But that has now changed in the developed world. A nation can and now does grow its GDP without growing its carbon footprint.
It used to be that growth was met with an increase of pollution. But that has now changed in the developed world. A nation can and now does grow its GDP without growing its carbon footprint.
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Well yes there is an actual carrying capacity of any species population. So there are books about it.Oh yea so nature has book that tells us exactly how we should be?
However i don’t subscribe to the notion we’re overpopulated to a critical mass.
Yes but he was speaking of nature like it was a person or has a book like "how to" for humans. Lol was just being sly.
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It only takes a couple of generations.
Not to mention many nations are faced with aging populations. More will be entering retirement than ever before (world wide).
Which will lead to challenges for the younger population to care for them.
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And we wonder why the governments of Europe and NA facilitate unregulated immigration.
Glad you agree. I'm sure your well aware of the very serious growing demographic decline in populations across the developed world. We need more people or where going to be screwed.
Where very far from capacity. 11 billion (where we will plateau) is actually pretty small compared to the size of earth and the resources the earth holds beneath the crust can support much much much more then 11 billion.
But again once we reach 11 billion world population will crash and fast once Africa develops. ONLY the continent of Africa & South America are seeing population increase. Everywhere else is suffering from population decline.
I said skilled labor not physical labor. It's the skilled labor jobs that are not being filled or replaced fast enough from people who retire. You know jobs that require a education beyond High school.
But physical labor too is hurting. Seems like restaurants, fast food, grocery store, ect. You name it seems they are lacking physical workers too.
Simply put the greatest threat to modern humans/society today is population decline.
Workers will have to pick up the slack, less products being made, less ingenuity & creativity, shortages beyond anything we have ever seen yet, and so much more consequences await us if the developed nations don't start to incentivize their citizens to have babies.
Workers will have to pick up the slack, less products being made, less ingenuity & creativity, shortages beyond anything we have ever seen yet, and so much more consequences await us if the developed nations don't start to incentivize their citizens to have babies.
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Natures fickle, something completely unexpected and uncontrollable could occur that does really knock humans in the cahones.
Genetics has pointed to an event in our distant past, likely a major asteroid event. Estimates the human population was reduced to below 10,000 individuals. Obviously a very generalized estimate but it’s in the book to. Punctuated equilibrium vs stasis.
Stasis in any population will always be found.
The Question for us is what might we be able do, if anything to make this process minimally traumatic.
Personally I’m not sure this is even a possible to do.
The problem or the reason that stems from population decline in the developed world is that it has become too expensive for couples or people in general to have a baby in developed nations.
If governments around the developed world don't start making it cheaper or more affordable to have kids we will be royally fucked. We are soon fast approaching the point of no return where fixing the problem will become to much of a challenge. As raising the population takes decades. Not something a nation can fix over night.
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You know I’m not sure this is as big a problem as we might think.
Think about it the skilled labor and creativity can be maintained and see advances. Do mostly to better and more available education.
We’re are still at the absolute beginning of distance learning opportunities.
The printing press had an exponential impact on education and spread of knowledge and learning.
We cannot even conceive yet the eventual positive impact the internet and distance learning will have in the near future.
All of the ups and downs and complaints people have with the internet have many similarities with the widespread dissemination of the printed word.
So set back and watch the show and know neither of us will see the end of the story.
I think factories not making enough supply/products, stores unable to find enough workers, skilled labor shortage leading to shortage of essential services like plumbers, electricians, doctors, and more is a very serious problem.
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"Hippie stuff about nature", I phrase it in the way I do for easy digestion, not to be literal. The truth is, in nature, it often can act in ways that are best described as "mother nature doing its job"/through anthropomorphism, which is easier to digest than me writing an article about all the phenomenon that happens in nature.Oh yea so nature has book that tells us exactly how we should be?
We need more people. As simple as that.
No. Earth is very big. In fact if you put all buildings on earth together it wouldn't be no bigger then the state of Rhoade Island.
How does this have to deal with not having enough people? In most of the world (except Africa) populations are declining sharply. More are dying then being born in the developed word.
Already in America their are alarming signs of worker shortages because the old have either retired or moved on/died. Not enough people to replace the skilled labor.
You can say all your hippie stuff about nature.... But we need more people. You clearly have not been reading real demographics of developed nations birth and alarming death rates compared.
No, the earth as a whole is not overpopulated(well not exactly, we are still using up finite resources quickly), but our cities VERY MUCH are (and India and China are completely, as well as other places where population density is very high). I am particularly referring to pathogens when I had said this. Mother nature sure does have a playbook for viruses. They spread and occur very quickly in such high population densities, and without humans fighting it, we would be culled by viruses.
You are talking about human life. Nature doesnt care, pathogens WILL occur more in high population densities because those areas are too overpopulated to prevent the spread/slow the spread or have the virus mutate to be less deadly quicker, leading to deadlier viruses spreading quicker. In areas where population density is low, these pathogens have far less of a chance of spreading versus just killing or otherwise not spreading to others.
We (the developed world even China) are stepping away from all these flaws. Growth in GDP is now met with CO2 reductions, cleaner energy = cleaner environment to. Also world population is becoming educated fairly well on how to protect themselves from the ever growing threat of viruses posed from globalization. It will be hard, but progress doesn't happen without struggle of course.
So overpopulation isn't happening and even at 11 billion when we plateau won't be much different then it is right now.
Cities can become self sustaining at least to a point. We are heading in this direction, but it will take time. But durring the developed worlds transition to clean self sustaining renewables/nuclear we will certainty not run out of resources. The earth crust is still full of resources that could last humans for thousands of more years.
BUT all these thing may be hampered with a declining population and a shrinking skilled and educated labor market....