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Atomic/Nuclear

DirtyDevil69

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So we are reading a book called 'the lord of the flies' in class and our teacher brought up the topic of why they were in the plane that crashed, and someone said their was an atomic bomb. she then says, "right they were under a nuclear threat, that's why they were flying away." I then proceeded to correct her that "Atomic Bombs are not Nuclear. they do have traces of Radiation when they go off, but are not categorized as nuclear."

Then i started thinking, now i want to know, are atomic bombs actually charted as Nuclear? I'm pretty sure they have their own category of Atomic but i just wanted to bring this up.
 
That's a good question... I'm afraid I can't answer that.
 
Good question!
Sorry-long post alert...
Atomic-nuclear-same same, more or less. 'Atomic' bomb has sort of fallen out of favour, as 'nuclear' sounds 'sexier', though there is, in fact, a distinction. To start off, there are 2 types of nuclear reactions to consider. Fission, atoms spitting apart to release energy in a really big bang, and 'fusion', fusing atoms together to release energy in a smegging gigantic kerblammo , the energy released as a by product of 'reorganising' atoms of one material into another. Note, this is a pretty simplified explanation, particularly with regard to variable yields and such.
A straight 'Atomic' bomb is a pure nuclear fission device that relies on run-away fission, that is, 'splitting' Uranium-233/ 235 or Plutonium-239 atoms apart to release energy in the form of heat and high energy nuclear particles; literally, lots of atom blowing up like wee grenades, cooking off the other wee grenades around it . These 'fissile' fuels are metals that are pretty unstable at the atomic level, they 'decay' as the atoms fall apart, emitting neutrons, and this kinetic activity(particles smashing together) generates heat. These atoms can be easily broken apart by a relatively slow moving neutron, releasing more energy and a shower of neutrons which break up more of the fissile fuel atoms, creating and sustaining a 'chain reaction' when you assemble a sufficient mass of material, a 'critical mass'. A critical mass can be arraigned so that the reaction is 'moderated' by controlling the rate of neutron emission, a nuclear reactor. The critical mass can also be smashed together rapidly under huge pressure with conventional explosives, resulting in a huge number of fissions, all at once- the atomic bomb. After that, the bomb effects are simply a really frikken huge deflagration, overpressure, heat into millions of degrees at close range, with radiological effects from the storm of high energy particles-neutrons, protons; and various 'rays'(more high energy particles of various half lives and energy levels) X-rays, Gamma radiation, Beta radiation, and secondary/tertiary radiations from the atomic structure of other matter being rearranged-turned into isotopes-through high energy particle bombardment. Radiation and high energy particles 'kill' by literally kinetic action at the atomic level, destroying tissue and chromosomes.
An Atomic bomb can be the simple Uranium-235 'gun' type, famously, the Y-1852 'Little Boy', the weapon that severely damaged Hiroshima, and formed the early US nuclear stockpile. This type of 'bomb core' is really simple to achieve and manufacture, but is inefficient in its use of nuclear material, is limited in yield, and can be susceptible to un-commanded detonation in an accident. The Y-1561 plutonium implosion core design,the 'Fat Man' that was dropped on Nagasaki, was a much more difficult weaponeering problem, but used fissile fuel much more efficiently, and can produce much higher nuclear yields-power, as well as making a better weapon in terms of compactness, ease of handling and safety. The plutonium implosion core design formed the basis of the 'productionized' US nuclear stockpile, and was subsequently copied by the Soviet Union through espionage, and then supplied to China. The Pu-239 implosion core is the 'standard' nuclear design among the worlds nuclear powers, and is the trigger for a Hydrogen, or Thermonuclear bomb (H-bomb).
A 'Nuclear' bomb is a generally thought of as plutonium implosion bomb that has its output (yield) 'boosted' with low order 'fusion' reactions by injecting tritium gas into the bomb core on detonation. This allows very high yields with out using a very large amount of plutonium in the core.
Typical yields for an Atomic bomb are measured in equivalents of a thousand tons of TNT, typically sub-kiloton to 100 kilotons, though high yield pure fission designs use fissile fuels very inefficiently.
A modern nuclear bomb core tends to be a minimum critical mass, fusion boosted to increase the yield of the weapon. The most modern weapons are 'dial a yield' where the explosive power of the weapon can be selected by modulating the amount of tritium and the timing of the injection, changing a few other bits and bobs around, or adjusting the amount of 'zap' the initiator provides, with typical yields up into 250-500 kilotons
Lastly, the H-bomb. This is the power of the stars, our Sun. Atoms of Hydrogen are fused together into Helium under cosmic heat and pressure, releasing; well, cosmic amounts of energy. This requires enormous energy to start the fusion reactions. The current H-bombs are all of the Teller-Ulam-Sakharov 'alarm clock' radiation implosion designs, where a tritium boosted fission core is used to provide the initial high energy and pressures to cause fusion in a secondary deuterium(heavy hydrogen) fusion fuel. The yield of these weapons is measured in equivalents of millions of tons of TNT, megatons. Typical yields are from 250 kilotons to 25 megatons. There is no theoretical limit on the number of secondary fusion stages that can be added to a H-bomb, except for the physical size of the package that your bomber or missile can carry, so no upper limit on the theoretical yield. The largest production weapons have been in the 25 megaton range. The experimental 'Tsar Bomba', a propaganda bomb, was designed as a three stage fission-fusion-fusion device with a theoretical yield of 100 megatons,though this was reduced to 50 megatons for the test, and even then, most of the released energy went straight up out of the atmosphere, which is why most modern H-bombs are of much lower yields, maxing out in the 20 megaton range.
Hope that helps.Its not an easy subject to compress into a few sentences, and I hope that's a reasonably concise description.
Happy Nuking!
 
Gun type and implosion types are name inter changeable.
Absolutely correct, but a gun type U-235 device cannot be fusion boosted. The term 'Nuclear' started to be used 'in house' among the weaponeers and physicists when the development of tritium-boosted fission weapons started back in the late 40's to indicate the distinction, as security precluded openly saying 'fusion-boosted Atomic bomb', or 'Tritium boosted atomic bomb'. Its not much of a distinction for us civvies, really. But the weapons fall into categories though of as 'fission'-the A-bomb, ' Fission-fusion', the boosted fission 'Nuclear bomb', and 'fission-fusion-fusion' Teller-Ulam-sakharov staged radiation implosion devices(H-bomb). So an atomic bomb may be though of as a large core design that gets its bang from pure fission, 63 kilos of U-235 for a gun type. Nuclear weapons have much smaller core's,(on average,about 13 kilos) the power coming from the fusion reactions. Remember that the bomb power comes from consuming the supercritical mass before the bomb blows apart, a matter of a few pico-seconds. The relative efficiencies for a gun type, an implosion Atomic type and a boosted nuclear type are something like 1.25%, 13% and 20%, and fissile fuels are scarce and expensive. The size of the weapons went down dramatically, from the 60-inch, 10,500lbs Mk-4's(productionized FatMan) of 20KT yield, only deliverable by heavy strategic bomber, to multi-hundred KT and megaton range nuclear weapons that could be carried by tactical fighter-bomber(strike)aircraft, or put in a 6'' artillery round, or even man packed by a paratrooper as a nuclear mine.

On a fun note, most of the general public got its first good look at Atomic bombs in 1946-48,during the early series of tests at Bikini atoll, and 'Atomic-mania' was the order of the day, before the fear set in with the coming of the H-bomb. In 1947, a french fashion designer marketed a one-piece swim suit called the 'Atom', to cash in on the craze. The next year, he marketed a 2-piece swim suit, 'spitting' the 'Atom', and the 'Bikini' became part of the global lexicon.
Interestingly, the weaponeers and physicists never called these things A-bombs, due to security, so the bombs became the 'gadget' or 'gizmo'.
In the Mob back in the day, as we 'officially' never had any, and due to security, we referred to the Mk-43 as a (ahem) 'Shape', Which we didn't, because we didn't have any un-mentionable devices, named from the concrete 'ballistic shapes' we trained with, LABS toss up at Sylt. I recall one day when thing went a wee bit sideways, resulting in the 'Shape' demolishing a church way off the range in a little burg. Oops. The padre wasn't real happy, but it was a thursday after-noon, so the place was empty and the Padre was up at the Gasthaus for Schnapps. There was a big hat-less dance going on in the bosses office that day!
 
Exact! 'Nuclear' is a blanket term, now a days.The term 'Atomic Bomb' was being tossed around in science fiction stories as far back as the twenties and thirties. Heinlien and Campbell were using 'Atom Bomb' in published stories during the war, Amazing stories and Argosy; the 'pulps'. You know-ZAP! polaris is missing, Dr.Zirkoff!
Security is a funny thing. Our death tube fleet was bought in '62 with the publicly stated purpose of 'tactical nuclear strike', but we were forbidden to even mention 'Nuclear' and 'Bomb' on the same day, let alone the same sentence! Anybody, including the officially sanctioned soviet military observers(!) standing outside the fence could watch us launching with the Mk-43 'ballistic shape' on the rack.
You just couldn't say it! Great for a laugh. Its a weird world.

Some confusion creeps in with the advent of the threat of a 'radiological' bomb, a 'dirty bomb', which is a non-fissile mass of radioactive material, like caesium from an old X-ray machine, scattered with a lump of plastique. Though the term 'Dirty bomb' was originally coined to describe the high levels of fallout from a large fission bomb back in the day, and the early H-bombs, which used a large amount of non-fissile radioactive material in the radiation cases and neutron lenses and reflectors, resulting in alot of fission products and radio-isotopes scattered in the detonation. Modern nuclear and thermo-nuclear weapons are relatively 'clean' in comparison, as the amounts of fissile material is reduced, and the composition of the reflectors and radiation cases has changed, resulting in orders of magnitude less radioactive debris from the actual bomb.
Not that I'd want to be standing next to one when it goes off! Kablamo is only fun when it happens to some one else, far down range!
 
Tanith said:
Ah, but what about nu-cul-lar bombs, are they different?

*runs away quickly*

:lol:

You get back here!!! :lol:
 
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