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China says it is ready for war
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YingYang is correct there are several war game reports from the pentagon that show China would win. Chinas coastal based missile batteries are the critical component for the US navy’s stand off distance.
Any US carrier within five hundred miles of Chinas coast is definitely at risk.
Here is one that highlights this. I don’t agree with it completely.
www.19fortyfive.com
Here is the thing about missile attacks on carrier strike groups. No one truly know how successful they would be. It’s never been attempted before. The carrier anti missile screen has never been tested before in a massed attack. Simulators and professional assessments are all over the board. Regarding how successful a US carrier strike group could be protected from a massed missile battery strike from Chinese assets in a war.
China would suffer hugh losses trying to occupy Taiwan. The US and allies (if any would suffer such high losses in a sea and air battle to defend Taiwan) in a protracted effort by China to seize Taiwan. Chinas manpower means little unless they can safely land them on Taiwan and then keep them supplied. Chinas is building a new class of amphibious floating piers ships. But only five are planned I believe. Troop transport ships will have big targets on them like US carriers.
Then you have all the international public outrage and angst when cost of the conflict starts getting reported.
Loss of a US aircraft carrier and up to 5000 casualties - 10 or 15000 dead Chinese solders when troop ships start sinking.
No one can really predict how the total war senario plays out.
I’ve said capability wise the US has the military ability to block it. Will the public support those kinds of losses. There all just hypothetical numbers at this point. That’s a 50/50 bet at best.
One can be outraged that we wouldn’t but that not real life.
The best way is to fight this war is to prevent it from starting. With that the US Japan Australia and ROK must demonstrate enough capacity and will to make it extremely costly.
Wanna do it in one fail swoop? Covertly aid Taiwan with a nuclear deterrent.
It’s the bloodiest nose that can be delivered to China to deter them ever trying to start with.
Wail and moan about proliferation. There are already enough bombs and lunatics with them to create a bad day for everyone. So let all the bullies on the block know that your once weak neighbors have a significant deterrent.
Regrettably proliferation is going to happen anyway. So equip your friends as our adversaries have done with the two crazy guys at either end of the block (iran and n Korea)
In the end as some have mentioned a nuclear exchange is going to happen in the end irregardless.
Any US carrier within five hundred miles of Chinas coast is definitely at risk.
Here is one that highlights this. I don’t agree with it completely.
Inside the Pentagon’s War Games: Can the U.S. Military Defend Taiwan from China?
As tensions rise in the Pacific, the U.S. military is intensifying war games to counter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Could America and its allies stop a surprise attack?
www.19fortyfive.com
Here is the thing about missile attacks on carrier strike groups. No one truly know how successful they would be. It’s never been attempted before. The carrier anti missile screen has never been tested before in a massed attack. Simulators and professional assessments are all over the board. Regarding how successful a US carrier strike group could be protected from a massed missile battery strike from Chinese assets in a war.
China would suffer hugh losses trying to occupy Taiwan. The US and allies (if any would suffer such high losses in a sea and air battle to defend Taiwan) in a protracted effort by China to seize Taiwan. Chinas manpower means little unless they can safely land them on Taiwan and then keep them supplied. Chinas is building a new class of amphibious floating piers ships. But only five are planned I believe. Troop transport ships will have big targets on them like US carriers.
Then you have all the international public outrage and angst when cost of the conflict starts getting reported.
Loss of a US aircraft carrier and up to 5000 casualties - 10 or 15000 dead Chinese solders when troop ships start sinking.
No one can really predict how the total war senario plays out.
I’ve said capability wise the US has the military ability to block it. Will the public support those kinds of losses. There all just hypothetical numbers at this point. That’s a 50/50 bet at best.
One can be outraged that we wouldn’t but that not real life.
The best way is to fight this war is to prevent it from starting. With that the US Japan Australia and ROK must demonstrate enough capacity and will to make it extremely costly.
Wanna do it in one fail swoop? Covertly aid Taiwan with a nuclear deterrent.
It’s the bloodiest nose that can be delivered to China to deter them ever trying to start with.
Wail and moan about proliferation. There are already enough bombs and lunatics with them to create a bad day for everyone. So let all the bullies on the block know that your once weak neighbors have a significant deterrent.
Regrettably proliferation is going to happen anyway. So equip your friends as our adversaries have done with the two crazy guys at either end of the block (iran and n Korea)
In the end as some have mentioned a nuclear exchange is going to happen in the end irregardless.
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The end to your assessment is the point most seem to forget when wargaming this, one for one nuclear exchanges on carrier groups and such will severely tilt the tide of any potential naval war. One side just needs to get lucky once or twice. I know we outperform the Chinese per tonnage however as long as China continues to modernize it's fleet and produce ships, our weapon advantage might not save us in the end with the amount of ships we actually have available for a war with China at the moment. We need more cruisers and subs.YingYang is correct there are several war game reports from the pentagon that show China would win. Chinas coastal based missile batteries are the critical component for the US navy’s stand off distance.
Any US carrier within five hundred miles of Chinas coast is definitely at risk.
Here is one that highlights this. I don’t agree with it completely.
Inside the Pentagon’s War Games: Can the U.S. Military Defend Taiwan from China?
As tensions rise in the Pacific, the U.S. military is intensifying war games to counter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Could America and its allies stop a surprise attack?
Here is the thing about missile attacks on carrier strike groups. No one truly know how successful they would be. It’s never been attempted before. The carrier anti missile screen has never been tested before in a massed attack. Simulators and professional assessments are all over the board. Regarding how successful a US carrier strike group could be protected from a massed missile battery strike from Chinese assets in a war.
China would suffer hugh losses trying to occupy Taiwan. The US and allies (if any would suffer such high losses in a sea and air battle to defend Taiwan) in a protracted effort by China to seize Taiwan. Chinas manpower means little unless they can safely land them on Taiwan and then keep them supplied. Chinas is building a new class of amphibious floating piers ships. But only five are planned I believe. Troop transport ships will have big targets on them like US carriers.
Then you have all the international public outrage and angst when cost of the conflict starts getting reported.
Loss of a US aircraft carrier and up to 5000 casualties - 10 or 15000 dead Chinese solders when troop ships start sinking.
No one can really predict how the total war senario plays out.
I’ve said capability wise the US has the military ability to block it. Will the public support those kinds of losses. There all just hypothetical numbers at this point. That’s a 50/50 bet at best.
One can be outraged that we wouldn’t but that not real life.
The best way is to fight this war is to prevent it from starting. With that the US Japan Australia and ROK must demonstrate enough capacity and will to make it extremely costly.
Wanna do it in one fail swoop? Covertly aid Taiwan with a nuclear deterrent.
It’s the bloodiest nose that can be delivered to China to deter them ever trying to start with.
Wail and moan about proliferation. There are already enough bombs and lunatics with them to create a bad day for everyone. So let all the bullies on the block know that your once weak neighbors have a significant deterrent.
Regrettably proliferation is going to happen anyway. So equip your friends as our adversaries have done with the two crazy guys at either end of the block (iran and n Korea)
In the end as some have mentioned a nuclear exchange is going to happen in the end irregardless.
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It doesn’t even have to be nukes that end US involvement. We’re just out of two decades of war. There is the war in Ukraine we’re backing.
We already see a serious non interventionist mood and yes in some cases isolationist.
How many Ukrainian flag emojis do you think will disappear when US troops start dying i. Europe or in the pacific.
Wars don’t just have to be won they have to be supported at home to be won.
Representative governments and true republics always wage war better than others. But only if the effort has strong support at home.
Thus in deciding our level of involvement we should consider soberly if there is domestic support for it. Not just commit willy-nilly.
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I think war in the Pacific is going to rely heavily on stealth and drones and how well you can employ them and defend against them. Naval forces are not a fixed target and will not be forward deployed until chinas strike capability is degraded enough to allow it. Initially it's all going to depend on which side can break through the electronic interference so their warheads can find the target. I would place my bet on the US but that's just me. 
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In the clearest sign yet that President Trump would opt for “negotiation” over “military action” in the words of National Security Advisor Mike Waltz in the event China blockades or invades Taiwan, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is now warning that China has the capability to sink all eleven US aircraft carriers within twenty minutes using hypersonic missiles, that would permanently end US naval superiority. I am guessing President Trump would not want to see the US Navy’s entire carrier fleet sunk at the bottom of the sea at the onset of a world war with the PRC so he would likely negotiate a deal with Beijing if China were to attack Taiwan to avoid that catastrophic outcome.
Uhmm, I have to ask: define “computer”
Are we talking about abacus and slider rulers only or are we completely down to wearing sandals for heavy math?
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Anything besides a phone for me. I struggle with emails
. As I said commodore 64 last computer I touched. Keyboard only. Took half a day to type program in for a mouse on the screen moved by arrow buttons. This copy paste language absolutely no idea how that works. Like I said not computer savvy. Some here should be grateful considering I don't know how to share links,copy,paste ,attach files etc etc. i seem to cause enough backlash as it is with claims backed up by others support finding and sharing my claims. Like most recent with pentagon results on US vs CHINA. OReid backed my claim on that one by surprise 
. Others have found and shared info here for me on other issues aswell. Hence why I say do your homework, because the info does exist. I'm just not capable of providing it here. I'm even dreading replacing my s9 with a newer model because after 4 s9's they don't stock them anymore. 
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Well it’s not that archaic. He has a smart enough phone to scroll the web and post.
For all practical purposes if you have a modern smart phone you pretty much still have a computer.
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YingYang is correct there are several war game reports from the pentagon that show China would win. Chinas coastal based missile batteries are the critical component for the US navy’s stand off distance.
Any US carrier within five hundred miles of Chinas coast is definitely at risk.
Here is one that highlights this. I don’t agree with it completely.
Inside the Pentagon’s War Games: Can the U.S. Military Defend Taiwan from China?
As tensions rise in the Pacific, the U.S. military is intensifying war games to counter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Could America and its allies stop a surprise attack?
Here is the thing about missile attacks on carrier strike groups. No one truly know how successful they would be. It’s never been attempted before. The carrier anti missile screen has never been tested before in a massed attack. Simulators and professional assessments are all over the board. Regarding how successful a US carrier strike group could be protected from a massed missile battery strike from Chinese assets in a war.
China would suffer hugh losses trying to occupy Taiwan. The US and allies (if any would suffer such high losses in a sea and air battle to defend Taiwan) in a protracted effort by China to seize Taiwan. Chinas manpower means little unless they can safely land them on Taiwan and then keep them supplied. Chinas is building a new class of amphibious floating piers ships. But only five are planned I believe. Troop transport ships will have big targets on them like US carriers.
Then you have all the international public outrage and angst when cost of the conflict starts getting reported.
Loss of a US aircraft carrier and up to 5000 casualties - 10 or 15000 dead Chinese solders when troop ships start sinking.
No one can really predict how the total war senario plays out.
I’ve said capability wise the US has the military ability to block it. Will the public support those kinds of losses. There all just hypothetical numbers at this point. That’s a 50/50 bet at best.
One can be outraged that we wouldn’t but that not real life.
The best way is to fight this war is to prevent it from starting. With that the US Japan Australia and ROK must demonstrate enough capacity and will to make it extremely costly.
Wanna do it in one fail swoop? Covertly aid Taiwan with a nuclear deterrent.
It’s the bloodiest nose that can be delivered to China to deter them ever trying to start with.
Wail and moan about proliferation. There are already enough bombs and lunatics with them to create a bad day for everyone. So let all the bullies on the block know that your once weak neighbors have a significant deterrent.
Regrettably proliferation is going to happen anyway. So equip your friends as our adversaries have done with the two crazy guys at either end of the block (iran and n Korea)
In the end as some have mentioned a nuclear exchange is going to happen in the end irregardless.
I read through the article (Thank you for posting it!) and I can't seem to find where the results of this wargame series are classified.
Here is the Army's Webpage for this series: https://www.usarpac.army.mil/Our-Approach/Wargaming/
In the article section "China Occupies Taiwan":
Neither the Army nor the Pentagon states the results of these wargames, a website (which is spelled incorrectly) hints at it.
My point is: The results of classified wargames are still classified and will not be made public until they are declassified decades from now. If someone leaks classified material (results in this case), they can expect to go to jail.
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Well I agree there would not be any classified war games released yet.
There have been pentagon reports and testimony by flag officers to Congress detailing out how costly this fight would be.
And that takes me back to my principle point. Yeah in the end the US could prevail. But the cost could be staggering I link a few reports and testimony below.
So that cost leaves us with the question would there be the public support to fight that fight. That to me right now is the biggest question.
But China too must ask that question as well.
It’s also likelier that war between chains Taiwan the US and Japan is much more likely to go nuclear that anything currently going on in Europe.
Then there is the asymmetric angle. China attacks the US responds and China flips the switch on compromised hardware in out infrastructure grid.
There is just so many variables
US commander details consequences of war with China over Taiwan
The head of U.S. forces for the Indo-Pacific, Admiral Samuel Paparo, warned Senate lawmakers about the implications of a war with China over the island of Taiwan.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
The Scary War Game Over Taiwan That the U.S. Loses to China Again and Again
Around a large table with a map and icons representing ships, submarines, planes, missile batteries, land-based forces, space-based sensors, and other apparatuses of modern warfare, officials from the Pentagon and the Rand Corp. fight a thus far unimaginable conflict. The Red Team, composed of...
nationalinterest.org
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I tried to locate the source of Hegseth's supposed "recent interview" and was unable to. There are very few mentions of these claims online, and they all seem to reference each other without any further details on when and where he dropped these front-page bombshells. A classic echo chamber.
The remainder of the tweet also reads like a masturbatory MAGA fantasy - as do, in fact, other posts on this guy's profile.
While the US may very well be setting itself up for a military defeat vs. China, I am firmly of the opinion that this entire tweet is utter BS.
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West Pacific map shows F-16 jet fleets on China's doorstep
Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand operate the F-16, while the Philippines has placed an order for the fighter aircraft.www.newsweek.com
Actually if you had a modern smartphone back when I had C64’s and Tandy’s it would be a supercomputer several times over.
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was it a off brand? non MSI ASUS ?