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Continuous Drone Sightings Above Military Bases Over Northern US Has Military & Public Officials Buzzing

The whole searching for WMD thing gives me pause because of this. 👇
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You'd think that if there was any type of WMD threat the president, vice president elect and possible members of his cabinet plus the speaker of the house wouldn't all be in the same place. This whole thing is just weird. IMO
 
The whole searching for WMD thing gives me pause because of this. 👇


You'd think that if there was any type of WMD threat the president, vice president elect and possible members of his cabinet plus the speaker of the house wouldn't all be in the same place. This whole thing is just weird. IMO
A broken arrow isn't a threat. It's just a lost, possibly damaged or partially detonated nuclear weapon. The biggest risk is theft or contamination from one of these. Modern weapons tend to be one point safe, which means that an accidental nuclear explosion is very low, even duringa rapid unscheduled disassembly, something like 1 in a million.

We've had plenty of broken arrows in nuclear history, and they didn't change any cabinet meetings or cause any real harm to the citizens of the U.S. or our Allies.

And, if there was a threat, if you knew which city the threat was in, there's no reason why you couldn't gather anywhere else.

I don't know if the president-elect is even gathered at the designated nuclear survivability site for the President if there's a threat of nuclear war or not.

I do know that during the Cuban Misdile Crisis, not only the president, but the entire presidential line of succession and military leadership were in one place and vulnerable. So I doubt very much if a government-elect wouldn't be allowed to gather if there was a threat.

I mean, one threat that some are trying to sell to the American people ( and congress) is "non-human-intelligences" based under the ocean, are flying drones and manned craft around our military bases and carrier battle groups. We don't know what they are. But they are non-hostile... Give me a break.

We scramble jets to chase balloons and strange blips since the 40s. If the military didn't know what they were, they would be treated as if they were hostile by default. Full-stop. I just can't buy what they're selling.
 
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Airspace over nuclear power plants is already highly restricted. If these drones are violating those restrictions, why would they observe a complete shutdown?
In the U.S. there's a NOTAM "strongly advising" avoidance, but it seems overflight prohibition was never enacted.

The FAA refers to NOTAM FDC 6/8818 for NPP overflight (see "Special Use Airspace"):
...IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS AND UAS OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE OR IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER SENSITIVE LOCATIONS SUCH AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, [...]

The NRC says drone restrictions were considered, but implies never enacted:
In late 2019, the nuclear industry began coordinating with the Department of Energy and the FAA to explore the possibility of restricting drone overflights of nuclear power plants.

The NRC asks nuclear power plant licensees to voluntarily report any sightings of drones over their protected areas.

Real-world pilot case from 2017, which references an earlier NOTAM with identical language (FDC 4/0811):
The pilot noted that he had not entered into any restricted airspace. However, he admitted that he knew he was flying over a nuclear power plant. He also knew that the FAA had instructed pilots to avoid circling near nuclear facilities and that this instruction had been prompted by 9/11. He complied with requests to land, although arguably there was no authority to order him to land. He also cooperated with the FBI and Homeland Security interviews.

The pilot spent the night in jail and the next day posted bond. Several weeks later, on advice of counsel, the pilot agreed to waive any civil claims against the Sheriff’s Office in exchange for dismissal of the charge.
 
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A broken arrow isn't a threat. It's just a lost, possibly damaged or partially detonated nuclear weapon. The biggest risk is theft or contamination from one of these. Modern weapons tend to be one point safe, which means that an accidental nuclear explosion is very low, even duringa rapid unscheduled disassembly, something like 1 in a million.

We've had plenty of broken arrows in nuclear history, and they didn't change any cabinet meetings or cause any real harm to the citizens of the U.S. or our Allies.

And, if there was a threat, if you knew which city the threat was in, there's no reason why you couldn't gather anywhere else.

I don't know if the president-elect is even gathered at the designated nuclear survivability site for the President if there's a threat of nuclear war or not.

I do know that during the Cuban Misdile Crisis, not only the president, but the entire presidential line of succession and military leadership were in one place and vulnerable. So I doubt very much if a government-elect wouldn't be allowed to gather if there was a threat.

I mean, one threat that some are trying to sell to the American people ( and congress) is "non-human-intelligences" based under the ocean, are flying drones and manned craft around our military bases and carrier battle groups. We don't know what they are. But they are non-hostile... Give me a break.

We scramble jets to chase balloons and strange blips since the 40s. If the military didn't know what they were, they would be treated as if they were hostile by default. Full-stop. I just can't buy what they're selling.
Broken Arrow seems plausible to me. (y) Trump probably has his own personal bunker. I think most billionaires do. It's just us common folks that will be left to melt in the radiation clouds.
 
There was _one_ documented case of nuclear pits being attempted to be sold by former Soviet authorities during the breakup of the Soviet Union. We actually flew a team over there, grabbed the pits from a warehouse that was unguarded and was only secured with a chain and padlock, then flew them back to the U.S.

The weapons under non-Russian control in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Belarus were HIGHLY monitored after the fall of the Soviet Union. There were no unknown weapons that were lost from the Trilateral accords states. Everyone on both sides and in the AEA knew how many and where the weapons were because they were bargaining pieces for arms reduction treaties prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

We also sponsored a program to pay and relocate Soviet scientists and engineers involved in the preparation of WMD, including their secret biological weapons programs.

There were Soviet broken arrows, of course. The most notable for nuclear terrorism purposes are the rumored 100 "suitcase" demolition munitions that are missing from the Soviet inventory, and some were in Ukraine, according to Alexander Lebed [1].

This claim is denied by the Russian Federation. Maybe he's talking about that in this video, but I get the sense his source is talking about the type of thing as I described above and reported in The Dead Hand[2] by David Hoffman.

There are weapons that were lost during nuclear submarine accidents, but none that I know of from bombs or icbms or cruise missiles, unlike the U.S. There are a total of 4 - 12 Soviet torpedo warheads at the bottom of the ocean, and maybe 6 -20 SLBMs at the bottom of the ocean.

Also, demolition munitions were rumored to have already been prepositioned in the U.S. during the Cold War. These were to be triggered by so-called sleeper agents if the war went hot. Somehow I doubt that those remained after the short period of friendly relations with the Russian Federation following the fall of the Soviet Union, and possibly were even removed during detante. However, if they were ever anything more than rumor, such weapons provided little tactical or strategic value, and, like the U.S. Davy Crockett and the MRBM missiles in Turkey and Italy, were dangerous risks to command and control that were easy political bargaining chips to trade during arms reduction talks. I doubt very much if they were even ever real in significant numbers.

I think the drone C.E.O. in the video does know what he's talking about regarding the detection and surveillance mission, but the suitcase nuke theory has a very small likelihood of being true and the source of said munitions being recently Ukraine for a false flag is just topical rumor mill paranoia.

The yields of these weapons ranged from .019 kilotons (this is real, from a U.S. weapon in 1956) to 10 kilotons, allegedly. Suitcase is not the proper term for them, they took a huge backpack to carry and a team of two to place and detonate (at least the U.S. versions). At one point we we talking about using them for strip mining, dam construction, harbor construction, and all kinds of civilian use-cases, as wild as that sounds.

The most likely incident, if there is one, is that we lost a weapon off of a plane over one of our most populated regions, and we're conducting a grid search day and night over the area by air to narrow down the location before cordoning it off and doing an arm to arm line search and decontamination of the area. Such an incident would be embarrassing, and cause unnecessary public panic and more oversight than the military would like to deal with if disclosed, so in the absence of truth the public is constructing a war of the worlds.

If that happened, there is a very real chance that the weapon would never be recovered, and eventually the search will be called off. The drone incidents will then slowly fade from the public eye, and would become yet another secret report that would only come out via FOIA a decade or more after the incident.

1. Russian Officials Deny Claims Of Missing Nuclear Weapons | Arms Control Association

2. The dead hand summary the dead hand summary - Google Search
 
It's just us common folks that will be left to melt in the radiation clouds.
We've already been melted in them, in fact. Then deaths associated with the atmospheric tests in the U.S. with Iodine-131 found in the deceased are alarmingly high, and stretched from Eastern North Dakota all the way to New York city, in a band about two states wide from North to South. Cancer rates in these states are noticeably higher, even decades later.


 
I think that most of these "Ukrainian" nuke weapons people are talking about are the old "Suitcase" weapons from many decades ago. Don't forget that there is a shelf-life with nukes. They have to be freshened up from time to time.

About the "Orbs"
It is a known fact that these so-called orbs or UFOs, in various forms, hover over Weapons storage sites, Research Labs, and power plants that contain nuclear material. It happens often. Oakridge gets visited all the time.

The so-called orbs that people have recently filmed are interesting... Usually, these orbs are a soft yellowish-orange. However, the recent videos taken on the East Coast that I have seen on the net display a kaleidoscope of colors. Of course, some stars have this ability to seemingly display many colors due to the atmosphere of our own planet.

There is one possibility, although remote. I'll give you a hint..

I remember what my dear old Dad told me on my wedding day. He said, "Son, don't ever turn on a collider. And whatever you do, stay away from Quark Soup!"

Wise Words.
 
Did anyone state for a fact that it is the federal government looking for something, or is this just the suspected reason?
 
I think that most of these "Ukrainian" nuke weapons people are talking about are the old "Suitcase" weapons from many decades ago. Don't forget that there is a shelf-life with nukes. They have to be freshened up from time to time.

About the "Orbs"
It is a known fact that these so-called orbs or UFOs, in various forms, hover over Weapons storage sites, Research Labs, and power plants that contain nuclear material. It happens often. Oakridge gets visited all the time.

The so-called orbs that people have recently filmed are interesting... Usually, these orbs are a soft yellowish-orange. However, the recent videos taken on the East Coast that I have seen on the net display a kaleidoscope of colors. Of course, some stars have this ability to seemingly display many colors due to the atmosphere of our own planet.

There is one possibility, although remote. I'll give you a hint..

I remember what my dear old Dad told me on my wedding day. He said, "Son, don't ever turn on a collider. And whatever you do, stay away from Quark Soup!"

Wise Words.
Lol. I we do have +energy fusion tokamaks now, only 20 years till we figure out how to make them make electricity. Science fiction is only fiction till it's not. I kid, I kid.

But from what I understand the black holes that you could theoretically make in a collider like the large hadron collider would evaporate too quickly through Hawking radiation to cause any problems, and even if one was created it basically only reacts through gravity with other particles through gravity and due to conservation of momentum and, basically, the odds of coming close enough to another particle at nearly light speed could never accumulate enough mass or interact with anything enough to become an "issue". They'd just fly through the planet mostly undetected like nutrinos. Is that not correct? Genuine question from a layperson.
 
Lol. I we do have +energy fusion tokamaks now, only 20 years till we figure out how to make them make electricity. Science fiction is only fiction till it's not. I kid, I kid.

But from what I understand the black holes that you could theoretically make in a collider like the large hadron collider would evaporate too quickly through Hawking radiation to cause any problems, and even if one was created it basically only reacts through gravity with other particles through gravity and due to conservation of momentum and, basically, the odds of coming close enough to another particle at nearly light speed could never accumulate enough mass or interact with anything enough to become an "issue". They'd just fly through the planet mostly undetected like nutrinos. Is that not correct? Genuine question from a layperson.
That is what they claim. ;)
 
I think that most of these "Ukrainian" nuke weapons people are talking about are the old "Suitcase" weapons from many decades ago. Don't forget that there is a shelf-life with nukes. They have to be freshened up from time to time.

About the "Orbs"
It is a known fact that these so-called orbs or UFOs, in various forms, hover over Weapons storage sites, Research Labs, and power plants that contain nuclear material. It happens often. Oakridge gets visited all the time.

The so-called orbs that people have recently filmed are interesting... Usually, these orbs are a soft yellowish-orange. However, the recent videos taken on the East Coast that I have seen on the net display a kaleidoscope of colors. Of course, some stars have this ability to seemingly display many colors due to the atmosphere of our own planet.

There is one possibility, although remote. I'll give you a hint..

I remember what my dear old Dad told me on my wedding day. He said, "Son, don't ever turn on a collider. And whatever you do, stay away from Quark Soup!"

Wise Words.
Strange orbs following aircraft date back to WWII. They were called Foo Fighters by the air crews. There is even a modern rock band named after them.
 
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