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DEFCON 4 | Europe Crisis | December 2021

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NovicePrepper said:
I don't know whether you count DailyMail as a reliable source so apologies if not but I saw this and thought that this is an unfortunate but not a surprising development. May post it on the China/Taiwan thread too since it seems to pertain to that as well.
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Daily Mail is hit and miss. I don't reject stuff outright from Daily Mail, but I know they can be exaggerating, so I always double check. But they are good for catching things off the radar of mainstream media.
 
NovicePrepper said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Putin and Xi vow to 'safeguard both sides' security' in video call

The world leaders held a phone call amid increasing criticism from the West, just days after G7 foreign ministers discussed Moscow's sabre-rattling against Ukraine and Beijing's crackdowns.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Longtime lurker, and have posted before but more in a discussion sense a few months ago.

I don't know whether you count DailyMail as a reliable source so apologies if not but I saw this and thought that this is an unfortunate but not a surprising development. May post it on the China/Taiwan thread too since it seems to pertain to that as well.

If this isn't reliable feel free to delete and let me know.
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The Daily Mail is pretty centrist as far as political bias, but their reliability is about 50/50. Usually confirming a Daily Mail article through a second source is not a bad idea, but we don't discount them right out the gate.
 
The Russian MFA published draft security agreement with NATO. The document already submitted to NATO. Looks like Russia wants to get safety guarantees. If they will not get them, they will act on their own.

– the Parties agree to resolve international disputes peacefully, to exercise restraint in military planning and during exercises;
— the Parties agree for a hotline for emergency contacts, urgent consultation will be used to solve problems;
— Russia and NATO confirm that they do not consider each other as enemies;
— Russia and NATO members will be able to deploy their armed forces on the territory of another countries only with the consent of all Parties;
— the Parties agrees to do not deploy missiles in areas from where they can hit the territory of the Party.
– NATO members confirm that they will not invite Ukraine and other countries to join the alliance. They also refuse to conduct military activities in Ukraine and the states of Eastern Europe, Transcaucasia and Central Asia.
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Full text (translation done by the Russian MFA): https://mid.ru/tv/?id=1790803&lang=en
AGREEMENT ON MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND MEMBER STATES OF THE NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION
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Unofficial translation

The Russian Federation and the member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), hereinafter referred to as the Parties,
reaffirming their aspiration to improve relations and deepen mutual understanding,
acknowledging that an effective response to contemporary challenges and threats to security in our interdependent world requires joint efforts of all the Parties,
determined to prevent dangerous military activity and therefore reduce the possibility of incidents between their armed forces,
noting that the security interests of each Party require better multilateral cooperation, more political and military stability, predictability, and transparency,
reaffirming their commitment to the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1975 Helsinki Final Act of the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe, the 1997 Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between the Russian Federation and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the 1994 Code of Conduct on Politico-Military Aspects of Security, the 1999 Charter for European Security, and the Rome Declaration "Russia-NATO Relations: a New Quality" signed by the Heads of State and Government of the Russian Federation and NATO member States in 2002,
have agreed as follows:
Article 1
The Parties shall guide in their relations by the principles of cooperation, equal and indivisible security. They shall not strengthen their security individually, within international organizations, military alliances or coalitions at the expense of the security of other Parties.
The Parties shall settle all international disputes in their mutual relations by peaceful means and refrain from the use or threat of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
The Parties shall not create conditions or situations that pose or could be perceived as a threat to the national security of other Parties.
The Parties shall exercise restraint in military planning and conducting exercises to reduce risks of eventual dangerous situations in accordance with their obligations under international law, including those set out in intergovernmental agreements on the prevention of incidents at sea outside territorial waters and in the airspace above, as well as in intergovernmental agreements on the prevention of dangerous military activities.
Article 2
In order to address issues and settle problems, the Parties shall use the mechanisms of urgent bilateral or multilateral consultations, including the NATO-Russia Council.
The Parties shall regularly and voluntarily exchange assessments of contemporary threats and security challenges, inform each other about military exercises and maneuvers, and main provisions of their military doctrines. All existing mechanisms and tools for confidence-building measures shall be used in order to ensure transparency and predictability of military activities.
Telephone hotlines shall be established to maintain emergency contacts between the Parties.
Article 3
The Parties reaffirm that they do not consider each other as adversaries.
The Parties shall maintain dialogue and interaction on improving mechanisms to prevent incidents on and over the high seas (primarily in the Baltics and the Black Sea region).
Article 4
The Russian Federation and all the Parties that were member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as of 27 May 1997, respectively, shall not deploy military forces and weaponry on the territory of any of the other States in Europe in addition to the forces stationed on that territory as of 27 May 1997. With the consent of all the Parties such deployments can take place in exceptional cases to eliminate a threat to security of one or more Parties.
Article 5
The Parties shall not deploy land-based intermediate- and short-range missiles in areas allowing them to reach the territory of the other Parties.
Article 6
All member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization commit themselves to refrain from any further enlargement of NATO, including the accession of Ukraine as well as other States.
Article 7
The Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization shall not conduct any military activity on the territory of Ukraine as well as other States in the Eastern Europe, in the South Caucasus and in Central Asia.
In order to exclude incidents the Russian Federation and the Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization shall not conduct military exercises or other military activities above the brigade level in a zone of agreed width and configuration on each side of the border line of the Russian Federation and the states in a military alliance with it, as well as Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Article 8
This Agreement shall not affect and shall not be interpreted as affecting the primary responsibility of the Security Council of the United Nations for maintaining international peace and security, nor the rights and obligations
of the Parties under the Charter of the United Nations.
Article 9
This Agreement shall enter into force from the date of deposit of the instruments of ratification, expressing consent to be bound by it, with the Depositary by more than a half of the signatory States. With respect to a State that deposited its instrument of ratification at a later date, this Agreement shall enter into force from the date of its deposit.
Each Party to this Agreement may withdraw from it by giving appropriate notice to the Depositary. This Agreement shall terminate for such Party [30] days after receipt of such notice by the Depositary.
This Agreement has been drawn up in Russian, English and French, all texts being equally authentic, and shall be deposited in the archive of the Depositary, which is the Government of ...

Done in [the city of …] this [XX] day of [XX] two thousand and [XX].
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Belarusian border guards reports a soldier from Poland who asked for asylum.
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As stated in the department, recently, at the Tushemlya frontier post, Belarusian border guards stopped a serviceman of the Polish armed forces Emil Chechko, born in 1996.

“Due with disagreement with the policy of Poland regarding the migration crisis and the practice of inhumane treatment of refugees, the serviceman asked for political asylum in the Republic of Belarus,” the Belarusian border guards said in a statement."

Defected Polish soldier giving an interview for Belarussian's state TV.

-"I was asking them "where are you taking them?" and soon after, our border guards just shot him in the face."
A serviceman who fled from Poland to Belarus said that Polish border guards were killing refugees.
According to Emil Chechko, he personally saw two such situations.
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OK, I been watching this thread intently and what exactly is going on here? Is the shit about to hit the fan? Are we close to a nuclear exchange? What's going on? Are we boned yet or what?
 
Drumboy44 said:
Russia's "Agreement On Measures To Ensure The Security Of The Russian Federation & Member States Of The North Atlantic Treaty Organization"

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Weelll leaves a lot to be desired.
I especially like article 6 Does that mean ALL iskanders old and new are coming out of Kaliningrad and Belarus or just AGEIS ashore out of Poland and Romania.
Is this for real? reads more like a press release than Treaty document.
 
Obreid said:
Weelll leaves a lot to be desired.
I especially like article 6 Does that mean ALL iskanders old and new are coming out of Kaliningrad and Belarus or just AGEIS ashore out of Poland and Romania.
Is this for real? reads more like a press release than Treaty document.
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"national territories"
Basically - yes. Kaliningrad is a Russian national territory. They will pull out their stuff from Belarus but no one can doubt their right to do whatever they want in Kaliningrad. No one doubts anyway, we barely see any notes of discontent about Kaliningrad.
 
Okay, some big words are coming.
Press-secretary of Russian President, Dmitry Peskov, has noted, that Ukraine has been lost "as an ally and partner for Russia."
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Ukraine directly officially, in fact at the legislative level, declares its intention to join NATO. This is very bad for us, because in this way NATO's military infrastructure inevitably begins to move, drift towards our borders, " - Peskov said, "the NATO is already beginning to absorb and invade Ukraine."
According to him, Moscow's proposal to introduce legally binding security guarantees in Europe - "is capable of protecting us from the tension that has arisen now on the European continent due to Ukrainian situation."
In the proposals for security guarantees in Europe, which Russia sent to NATO and Washington, there is a demand for NATO's refusal to accept Ukraine into the alliance.
At the same time, the Kremlin considers the Ukrainian and Russian peoples to be fraternal, and "the fraternal people cannot be lost."
“How many Ukrainians live here, how many Russians live there - we will remain fraternal peoples. Yes, the authorities can try to fool their people. The media, our Internet resources can be banned. The two fraternal peoples cannot lose each other, this is my deep conviction, "Peskov said.
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DEFCON Warning System said:
So the general consensus is that the list of Russian proposals are unacceptable to the West.
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Or west will agree under conditions which will be unacceptable for Russia (example disarming Kaligrad area, removal bases from Belarus etc, limited Russia militat to extremitly low level close to Nato borders etc).
Wearing West lader shoes I wouid put so condition that Putin can not accept it ( example saiybg that rt.com is fake news sources, do ot allos for any unexpected molliary drills, no perrmision to Russia _belarus drills )
 
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