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DEFCON 4 | Europe Crisis | January 2022

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correct me if im wrong, but didn't the government do away with the defcon levels years ago?
 
dave II judgement day said:
I wrote in the earlier post, the only thing I see saying this is the Private and non government affiliated https://www.defconlevel.com/current-level.php, which has accidently used as a quote multible times earlier to prove the us is at defcon 3, but this isnt inline with his twice this year, first time in 50 years statement, the guy is still under government employ so maybe he knows something we dont, but also it is a research department and maybe he is using his knowledge of that sites level and his historical knowledge of the level, I dont know
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From their own site:

Since we base our defcon status levels on both military readiness and nuclear threat risk factors, our alert level does not always indicate risk of nuclear war since both factors are tied together.

(Emphasis mine)

They are another OSINT organization, but where our mission statement is geared solely toward global nuclear threats, theirs is also monitoring conventional activity.
 
dave II judgement day said:
I wrote in the earlier post, the only thing I see saying this is the Private and non government affiliated https://www.defconlevel.com/current-level.php, which has accidently used as a quote multible times earlier to prove the us is at defcon 3, but this isnt inline with his twice this year, first time in 50 years statement, the guy is still under government employ so maybe he knows something we dont, but also it is a research department and maybe he is using his knowledge of that sites level and his historical knowledge of the level, I dont know
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dave II judgement day said:
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/negotiate-peace-russia-prevent-war-over-ukraine-198738, this article seems largely dimwitted, but in it states that the current actual defcon level is 3, i have no idea what their source is for this but i have a suspicion it is the other community run defcon site, and not the actual level.
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Dimwitted? Russia has a huge advantage over us militarily thanks to the blind and clueless politicians and US generals who think we can win every fight with one arm behind our back and a foot in a bucket.

They have a big undisclosed and deployed nuclear missile force as they did under the first Start Treaty. They have been deploying multiple systems faster than our contractors can design something.

If we don’t make some mutual agreement DC will find out the hard way how much they have underestimated the power of the bear.

Unless they decide to unleash some UFO weapons 😝
 
Since December 25, American control aircraft have been trying to establish communication channels with Ukrainian headquarters and ground command posts at the strategic and operational level. Ukraine use such a communication standard as Digital Mobile Radio. This standard is not NATO, but it is on it that American air control posts have been trying to work all these days.

By the way, it is interesting that, at least officially, the equipment for the DMR was purchased by volunteers. This is a civilian standard, but it is quite reliable and better than it was before in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In the event of an aggravation of the situation, American generals will control the groupings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The control planes do not even need to enter the airspace of Ukraine for this. All these military command and control measures indicate that the situation around Ukraine has reached a peak of tension. Until that moment, nothing like this had happened.
Nobody is going to give Ukraine without a fight. The citizens of Ukraine will have to fight, but NATO will help with weapons, recon, by all means of electronic warfare and electronic intel, as well as manage hostilities, since, as the Pentagon was convinced, Ukrainian generals are not capable of effective command and control of their forces
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Okay, so what about the republics themselves?
Ukrainian armed forces are pulling forces to the school they have occupied in Donbass.

As reported by a representative of the People's Militia, the Ukrainian side is creating a strong point and equipping firing positions in the building of the educational institution.

They also said that the Ukrainian security forces occupied a school in the Kiev-controlled village of Valuyskoye near the line of contact on December 27.

Vehicles with armed people and artillery reconnaissance equipment keep arriving in the area.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine interfere with the work of the OSCE mission, blocking the observation drones of the organization.
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1641161944885.png - it's here, over the Lugansk.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov provided specific clarifications on what Moscow's actions would be if the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out a massive attack on Donbass. Lavrov stressed that Russia will not be idle and endanger citizens with Russian passports living on the territory of the LPR.

“Kiev's provocative actions against the citizens of the Russian Federation will be met with the most decisive actions on the part of the Russian army. Russian citizens living on the territory of the DPR and LPR will receive full protection and will be spared from the aggression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ”said the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Experts suggest that, as a response, Russia can carry out powerful pinpoint strikes on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass by using fighters and bombers that regularly patrol along the borders of the Russian Federation.
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Okay, it seems that Ukraine will not go to the offensive - they got the Russian response, as well as NATO's orders, they have to prepare for possible invasion. Their own attempts of clearing Republic's areas would lead to nowhere - only to get bombed by Russian AF, that they have no means to counter. American general cannot order Ukrainians to fire at something they cannot hit and see. Seems like a stalemate again, and NATO is winning time in weaponising Ukraine. Might be a best moment for RU to claim the Republics for themselves and see where that would lead to. Or not?
 
Citizen-21 said:
Republic's areas would lead to nowhere - only to get bombed by Russian AF,
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At least a Russian is acknowledging they are invading and imposing on a self governing republic.

Tell your government it is just as wrong when the United States invade Iraq wrong. You really want to get sucked into a multi decade war??? Over what? Russian citizens you indoctrinated after the conflict? Yk like how Russia is given citizenships to all citizens in contested areas that would never be Russian citizens under normal circumstances???

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I'm may be drinking but I'm not wrong here. Sorry for posting shit faced but couldn't help myself here.
 
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DarkNoon said:
At least a Russian is acknowledging they are invading and imposing on a self governing republic.

Tell your government it is just as wrong when the United States invade Iraq wrong. You really want to get sucked into a multi decade war??? Over what? Russian citizens you indoctrinated after the conflict? Yk like how Russia is given citizenships to all citizens in contested areas that would never be Russian citizens under normal circumstances???
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Him being Russian doesn’t mean he can’t realise his government is doing the wrong thing

But he can’t exactly change their foreign policy. Just as you or I can’t walk into a government office and demand justice for their wrongdoings.
 
Train said:
Him being Russian doesn’t mean he can’t realise his government is doing the wrong thing

But he can’t exactly change their foreign policy. Just as you or I can’t walk into a government office and demand justice for their wrongdoings.
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That wasn't meant for me. That was meant for burned and shot people at Odessa. They were actually the wrong ones all time along.

I'm not going to answer - it's no use. Comparing US-Iraq to Russia-Ukraine sure is something. That question "for what?" is incredibly foolish one.
Were Iraqis your brotherhood nation, sharing a millenial history of mutual existense and support, that shared the suffering brought upon your lands throughought the centuries? I can't recall such relations of Iraq and United States.
 
Train said:
Him being Russian doesn’t mean he can’t realise his government is doing the wrong thing
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I'm just trying to point out US mistakes... if more poeple where vocal about it maybe we would be in a different place...

If our nations all of us around the world are going to survive it must be done through compromises like it has always has been done since the dawn of civilization.

Don't say compromise or negotiating isn't possible or hard. WHAT makes compromise or negotiating impossible or hard for both sides is creating conflict within the diplomatic process.

Compromising is easy, what makes it uneasy is the unwillingness to settle on both sides. Both sides want it all,.. take it from a ex diplomatic staffer. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That phrase applys in every aspect of life including geopolitics.

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excuse my booze infused enthusiasm on this. Feel free to delete staffers.
 
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Citizen-21 said:
That wasn't meant for me. That was meant for burned and shot people at Odessa. They were actually the wrong ones all time along.

I'm not going to answer - it's no use. Comparing US-Iraq to Russia-Ukraine sure is something. That question "for what?" is incredibly foolish one.
Were Iraqis your brotherhood nation, sharing a millenial history of mutual existense and support, that shared the suffering brought upon your lands throughought the centuries? I can't recall such relations of Iraq and United States.
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Pretty sure most of the Ukrainian suffering was done under Russia and then the Soviet system not the few years of Nazis horrors and oppression though both sucked I’m sure.

If Russia had any sense of decency they would just let the Ukrainian people be free to choose what they want but Russia doesn’t, they want what Ukraine has and what it’s people can produce in a bad way.
 
DarkNoon said:
I'm just trying to point out US mistakes... if more poeple where vocal about it maybe we would be in a different place...

If our nations all of us around the world are going to survive it must be done through compromises like it has always has been done since the dawn of civilization.

Don't say compromise or negotiating isn't possible or hard. WHAT makes compromise or negotiating impossible or hard for both sides is creating conflict within the diplomatic process.

Compromising is easy, what makes it uneasy is the unwillingness to settle on both sides. Both sides want it all,.. take it from a ex diplomatic staffer. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That phrase applys in every aspect of life including geopolitics.

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excuse my booze infused enthusiasm on this. Feel free to delete staffers.
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Yeah I get you. Makes more sense now I re-read, sorry if i seemed a little angry.

Drink some water!
 
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