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Finland & Sweeden Apply for NATO Membership | 2022

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Joint Sweden, Finland bid for NATO expected within weeks

A joint application from Sweden and Finland to end their longstanding policy of neutrality and apply for NATO membership could be coming in a matter of weeks, according to press reports Monday from both countries.
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We need to monitor NATO's response to the applications very closely.

Option 1:
Fast-track their membership application.

Assessment: NATO will be drawing its line in the sand with Russia. Russia will see this as a provocation. NATO risks Russia carrying out its threat to attack countries attempting to join NATO.


Option 2:
Delay the application process.

Assessment: NATO will attempt to avoid conflict by trying to appease Russia. Russia (and other potential enemies) will see this as weakness. NATO risks Russia using the same nuclear blackmail strategy on other countries. The US risks emboldening China, North Korea, and Iran in their pursuit of their own objectives.

Final Analysis: There is no winning move for NATO in this situation. No matter how they handle the membership applications from Sweden and Finland, it will end badly for NATO and the US. The only difference will be how fast that bad ending will come.
 
I think Putin will beat the drums of war, proclaiming that NAThO interference in Finland & Sweden will result in unimaginable consequences.
Putin is not an idiot. He hasn't attacked supply lines in NATO countries for a reason, he knows he can't win a world war.

Finland and Sweden are very likely to have that hand of friendship extended to them, as they have been provided security guarantees by the West and Putin knows this.

Russia really can't afford this war, and even without NATO involvement in Finland and Sweden I have serious doubts about the Red Army's ability to conquer them.

I'm willing to place my bets on Putin's threats against NATO as hot air. That doesn't mean that a twitchy field commander won't a mistake, perhaps shooting down a NATO jet mistakenly presumed to enter Russian air space (example, this hasn't happened don't take it out of context) , a multitude of things could happen.
However, based on current information I think Putin will simply have to allow Finland & Sweden's entry into NATO, he has to either accept that, or war. A war which he knows that no one can win, so I doubt very much that he will follow that course of action.
 
Friendly Engineer said:
think Putin will beat the drums of war, proclaiming that NAThO interference in Finland & Sweden will result in unimaginable consequences.
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Not if they can join before Russia can gather what's left of itself in Ukraine and head over to them. Once their in Putin doesn't have a choice unless he feels like ending his own life too.
 
Friendly Engineer said:
I think Putin will beat the drums of war, proclaiming that NAThO interference in Finland & Sweden will result in unimaginable consequences.
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And that is why I beat the drum so hard that NATO is not a monolithic territory hungry bad actor. It’s a fallible organization of big and small states who don’t always get along or agree. And completely unable to have some cohesive plan of world domination.

This is important, we even see the effects of this effort to paint NATO as some power hungry monolithic Supra-state that is hell bent a crushing Russia
And gobbling up all of Eurasia here in our dialogue.

And this has been the main entree to Russia complaint about nato.
Maybe all those cold war USSR dreamers in Russia can’t separate that intrinsically NATO existence is actually fundamentally different that what the USSR and Russian federation was/is.
They really only can imagine it as the same as they once were or are.
 
Obreid said:
And that is why I beat the drum so hard that NATO is not a monolithic territory hungry bad actor. It’s a fallible organization of big and small states who don’t always get along or agree. And completely unable to have some cohesive plan of world domination.

This is important, we even see the effects of this effort to paint NATO as some power hungry monolithic Supra-state that is hell bent a crushing Russia.
And gobbling up all of Eurasia.
And this has been the main entree to Russia complaint about nato.
Maybe all those cold war USSR dreamers in Russia can’t separate that intrinsically NATO existence is actually fundamentally different that what the USSR and Russian federation was/is.
They really only can imagine it as the same as they once were or are.
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I think you have touched one vital point here.... Russian perception of NATO. Whether their perception is correct or close to what exists is at this point irrelevant. What exists is they are either undertaking or threatening action based on what they perceive.
 
expat42451 said:
I think you have touched one vital point here.... Russian perception of NATO. Whether their perception is correct or close to what exists is at this point irrelevant. What exists is they are either undertaking or threatening action based on what they perceive.
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Apart from nato hiring a PR firm not much now can be done to correct that.
Realize it do all that you can to persuade them this is not the case.
And plan for the possibility they believe it and plan for the worst.
 
Obreid said:
Apart from nato hiring a PR firm not much now can be done to correct that.
Realize it do all that you can to persuade them this is not the case.
And plan for the possibility they believe it and plan for the worst.
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Too late to send Kamela to Moscow for a 'Splain session I guess......
 
expat42451 said:
I think you have touched one vital point here.... Russian perception of NATO. Whether their perception is correct or close to what exists is at this point irrelevant. What exists is they are either undertaking or threatening action based on what they perceive.
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Yeah gun to the head option.
As an American my gut response it press the barrel of mine into their ball sack so that they know it’s there😏
I know not a viable war strategy
 
DarkNoon said:
if Putin keeps losing
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It all depends on what you mean by losing.

In my opinion, it is much too early to proclaim a winner.
Often, there are surprising reversals. At the beginning of the 2nd World War, Hitler won at the beginning, you know the rest...
I have the bad impression that Russia has very bad surprises in store for us!
Is Putin saving his best players for later.

One thing is certain, this war is not over yet!
 
Saguenay said:
It all depends on what you mean by losing.

In my opinion, it is much too early to proclaim a winner.
Often, there are surprising reversals. At the beginning of the 2nd World War, Hitler won at the beginning, you know the rest...
I have the bad impression that Russia has very bad surprises in store for us!
Is Putin saving his best players for later.

One thing is certain, this war is not over yet!
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Your right this war is t over yet. Although the nasty things Putin might or could do are not dependent on best for last. Just an excess of more of the most destructive and ugly
 
Easiest option for Putin should they get in nato and he isn't happy. Cut European gas supplies. Divert more to China.
Gas cut to Europe, cuts heating,industrial, cooking etc. Shit I'm surprised he hasn't already considering he isn't getting paid for current supplies. Or is Europe paying their bill in rubles or gold.?
 
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