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“Recycling is never going to solve the plastic waste crisis,” said Lisa Ramsden, senior plastics campaigner for Greenpeace USA. “There’s simply too much plastic, and it’s just not practical to recycle most of it.”
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www.bostonglobe.com

Plastic recycling is a ‘myth,’ study says - The Boston Globe

Of the 51 million tons of plastic waste US households generated in 2021, just 2.4 million tons — or 5 percent — was recycled, new research shows.
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Funny, in the UK I grew up with Reduce, Reuse, Recycle (I don't know about other countries). There's a reason the slogan is in that order. Nowadays it seems it's acceptable to manufacture and sell all this plastic crap as long as it's recycled. As a society we really need to get back to refusing plastics on the shelf, then reusing it in the home as much as possible, and ONLY then recycle as a last resort.
 
Friendly Engineer said:
Well we certainly can't live without plastic. Also I am positive that in the future (i.e. within a few decades) we'll be able to recycle all plastics.
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Not too long ago, people were living without plastics. There are technological uses of plastic that we can justify, but a lot of the plastic produced has a very short life, going almost directly from store to garbage.
 
It's a complete waste of time.

The whole recycling thing is just an invention of the plastic industry so they can keep pumping out product, and still try to look sustainable, while having someone else deal with the difficult part; the usual scheme to privatize profits, socialize costs.

The first thing to do with plastic (apart from use less) is to collect it. Most of the larger plastic going into the environment is from countries who don't collect their waste properly, that and fishing nets, etc. The microplastics are mainly cosmetics (shiny hair, how do they do that I wonder?), those guys seem to getting off relatively scot-free in this plastics ban.

A ban which is insane, BTW. Eg, a plastic shopping bag uses almost no material and has a thousand afterlives. As long as it's collected when it's time is done, it's a miracle of efficient utility. Compare it to some crappy chinesium plastic toy that breaks in a few days; basically 'single use' but not treated as such.

Then with the collected plastics, a few of them can actually be recycled economically, the rest should go to landfill.

If landfills are properly constructed they're a perfectly reasonable option. And in future, those landfills will become mines, full of hydrocarbons, metals, etc, etc.

Of course we should be using much less 'disposable' products,packaging,etc too.
 
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Gen Jack D. Ripper said:
Not too long ago, people were living without plastics. There are technological uses of plastic that we can justify, but a lot of the plastic produced has a very short life, going almost directly from store to garbage.
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Certain chemicals have to be stored using plastic containers.
I agree that single use plastics should be scaled back, but in some cases you just have to use plastic.
 
New Colour said:
It's a complete waste of time.

The whole recycling thing is just an invention of the plastic industry so they can keep pumping out product, and still try to look sustainable, while having someone else deal with the difficult part; the usual scheme to privatize profits, socialize costs.

The first thing to do with plastic (apart from use less) is to collect it. Most of the larger plastic going into the environment is from countries who don't collect their waste properly, that and fishing nets, etc. The microplastics are mainly cosmetics (shiny hair, how do they do that I wonder?), those guys seem to getting off relatively scot-free in this plastics ban.

A ban which is insane, BTW. Eg, a plastic shopping bag uses almost no material and has a thousand afterlives. As long as it's collected when it's time is done, it's a miracle of efficient utility. Compare it to some crappy chinesium plastic toy that breaks in a few days; basically 'single use' but not treated as such.

Then with the collected plastics, a few of them can actually be recycled economically, the rest should go to landfill.

If landfills are properly constructed they're a perfectly reasonable option. And in future, those landfills will become mines, full of hydrocarbons, metals, etc, etc.

Of course we should be using much less 'disposable' products,packaging,etc too.
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I wonder what other dire environmental, health related, or political catastrophes we’ve been spoon fed telling us the world is coming to an end.
Everyone should read more nursery rhymes. There was a point to them.

An illustration for the story Henny-Penny: The Sky is Falling! by the author

One day Henny-penny was picking up corn in the rickyard when—whack!—an acorn hit her upon the head. "Goodness gracious me!" said Henny-penny, "the sky's a-going to fall; I must go and tell the King."
So she went along, and she went along, and she went along, till she met Cocky-locky. "Where are you going, Henny-penny?" says Cocky-locky. "Oh! I'm going to tell the King the sky's a-falling," says Henny-penny. "May I come with you?" says Cocky-locky. "Certainly," says Henny-penny. So Henny-penny and Cocky-locky went to tell the King the sky was falling.
They went along, and they went along, and they went along, till they met Ducky-daddles. "Where are you going to, Henny-penny and Cocky-locky?" says Ducky-daddles. "Oh! we're going to tell the King the sky's a-falling," said Henny-penny and Cocky-locky. "May I come with you?" says Ducky-daddles. "Certainly," said Henny-penny and Cocky-locky. So Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, and Ducky-daddles went to tell the King the sky was a-falling.
So they went along, and they went along, and they went along, till they met Goosey-poosey. "Where are you going to, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, and Ducky-daddles?" said Goosey-poosey. "Oh! we're going to tell the King the sky's a-falling," said Henny-penny and Cocky-locky and Ducky-daddles. "May I come with you?" said Goosey-poosey. "Certainly," said Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, and Ducky-daddles. So Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, and Goosey-poosey went to tell the King the sky was a-falling.
So they went along, and they went along, and they went along, till they met Turkey-lurkey. "Where are you going, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, and Goosey-poosey?" says Turkey-lurkey. "Oh! we're going to tell the King the sky's a-falling," said Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, and Goosey-poosey. "May I come with you, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, and Goosey-poosey?" said Turkey-lurkey. "Oh, certainly, Turkey-lurkey," said Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, and Goosey-poosey. So Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey all went to tell the King the sky was a-falling.
Henny-Penny: The Sky is Falling group
So they went along, and they went along, and they went along, till they met Foxy-woxy, and Foxy-woxy said to Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey, "Where are you going, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey?" And Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey said to Foxy-woxy, "We're going to tell the King the sky's a-falling." "Oh! but this is not the way to the King, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey," says Foxy-woxy; "I know the proper way; shall I show it you?" "Oh, certainly, Foxy-woxy," said Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey. So Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, Turkey-lurkey, and Foxy-woxy all went to tell the King the sky was a-falling. So they went along, and they went along, and they went along, till they came to a narrow and dark hole. Now this was the door of Foxy-woxy's burrow. But Foxy-woxy said to Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddies, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey, "This is the short cut to the King's palace: you'll soon get there if you follow me. I will go first and you come after, Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey." "Why, of course, certainly, without doubt, why not?" said Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey.
So Foxy-woxy went into his burrow, and he didn't go very far but turned round to wait for Henny-penny, Cocky-locky, Ducky-daddles, Goosey-poosey, and Turkey-lurkey. Now Turkey-lurkey was the first to go through the dark hole into the burrow. He hadn't got far when—
"Hrumph!"
Foxy-woxy snapped off Turkey-lurkey's head and threw his body over his left shoulder. Then Goosey-poosey went in, and—
"Hrumph!"
Henny-Penny: The Sky is Falling fowl
Off went her head and Goosey-poosey was thrown beside Turkey-lurkey. Then Ducky-daddles waddled down, and—
"Hrumph!"
Foxy-woxy had snapped off Ducky-daddles' head and Ducky-daddles was thrown alongside Turkey-lurkey and Goosey-poosey. Then Cocky-locky strutted down into the burrow, and he hadn't gone far when—
"Hrumph!"
But Cocky-locky will always crow whether you want him to do so or not, and so he had just time for one "Cock-a-doo-dle d—" before he went to join Turkey-lurkey, Goosey-poosey, and Ducky-daddles over Foxy-woxy's shoulders.
Now when Henny-penny, who had just got into the dark burrow, heard Cocky-locky crow, she said to herself:
"My goodness! it must be dawn. Time for me to lay my egg."
So she turned round and bustled off to her nest; so she escaped, but she never told the King the sky was falling!
 
Gen Jack D. Ripper said:
Not too long ago, people were living without plastics. There are technological uses of plastic that we can justify, but a lot of the plastic produced has a very short life, going almost directly from store to garbage.
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We could all go back to the old fashion milk delivery system. The farmer milked the cow and put it in five gallon milk containers. Each one had a brass tag attached to it with name and town/rail route
Those containers were taken to the rail station every morning and taken to the cities where it was transferred to milk bottles or just distributed by people coming by with a pot.
You had to have a pot either way because it was not pasteurized and honestly most people didn’t want it pasteurized.
Then the 5 gallon containers were hot washed and put on the train and sent back to the farmers for exchange for the next days batch.
Talk about just in time delivery.
I can remember going down to the street in Bogota 1975 when a 3wheel scooter rang its bell and if you need milk you went out with a pan for what you needed that day. Loved those bowls of rice with warm whole milk cream cinnamon and sugar.
People would starve today with out plastics most don’t even know how to make a meal with completely raw natural foods
 
Seriously said:
We could all go back to the old fashion milk delivery system. The farmer milked the cow and put it in five gallon milk containers. Each one had a brass tag attached to it with name and town/rail route
Those containers were taken to the rail station every morning and taken to the cities where it was transferred to milk bottles or just distributed by people coming by with a pot.
You had to have a pot either way because it was not pasteurized and honestly most people didn’t want it pasteurized.
Then the 5 gallon containers were hot washed and put on the train and sent back to the farmers for exchange for the next days batch.
Talk about just in time delivery.
I can remember going down to the street in Bogota 1975 when a 3wheel scooter rang its bell and if you need milk you went out with a pan for what you needed that day. Loved those bowls of rice with warm whole milk cream cinnamon and sugar.
People would starve today with out plastics most don’t even know how to make a meal with completely raw natural foods
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We had a dairy most of my life, there's nothing better than raw milk. There's so much you can do with it
 
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