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India-Russia-China Up & US Relations Down

New Delhi has put on hold its plans to procure new U.S. weapons and aircraft, according to three Indian officials familiar with the matter, in India's first concrete sign of discontent after tariffs imposed on its exports by President Donald Trump dragged ties to their lowest level in decades.
India had been planning to send Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to Washington in the coming weeks for an announcement on some of the purchases, but that trip has been cancelled, two of the people said.

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Exclusive: India pauses plans to buy U.S. arms after Trump's tariffs

New Delhi has put on hold its plans to procure new U.S. weapons and aircraft, according to three Indian officials familiar with the matter, in India's first concrete sign of discontent after tariffs imposed on its exports by President Donald Trump dragged ties to their lowest level in decades.
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India and China are destined to be rivals, but China absolutely does not want war with India right now - while it prepares for the invasion of Taiwan.
 
7gtz said:
I can't blame the U.S. entirely for this. Modi has proven to be a total failure when it comes to foreign policy.
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I'm actually putting him at about 5/10 on that front. He did get to scrap the IWT in favor of India essentially cost-free (at least thus far); he's also maintained semi-decent relations with China, and has managed to do business with Putin while still remaining on friendly terms with the US.

Not too bad given the circumstances. India is not in a bad spot, geopolitically speaking.
 
Socom7 said:
I'm actually putting him at about 5/10 on that front. He did get to scrap the IWT in favor of India essentially cost-free (at least thus far); he's also maintained semi-decent relations with China, and has managed to do business with Putin while still remaining on friendly terms with the US.

Not too bad given the circumstances. India is not in a bad spot, geopolitically speaking.
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I would like to respectfully disagree with some points:

1) “maintained semi-decent relations with China” - Since Modi was elected, there have been two severe territorial ingressions by China. China has shifted towards Pakistan and provided ISR during the May conflict. There have been no flights between India and China, for many years now. I would not call these semi-decent relations.

2) Managed to do business with Russia while remaining on friendly terms with the US - Not sure how valid this is lately. We are being treated like an enemy country and relations have sharply nosedived in the past 2 months.
 
7gtz said:
I would like to respectfully disagree with some points:

1) “maintained semi-decent relations with China” - Since Modi was elected, there have been two severe territorial ingressions by China. China has shifted towards Pakistan and provided ISR during the May conflict. There have been no flights between India and China, for many years now. I would not call these semi-decent relations.

2) Managed to do business with Russia while remaining on friendly terms with the US - Not sure how valid this is lately. We are being treated like an enemy country and relations have sharply nosedived in the past 2 months.
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I will absolutely defer to your judgment in the matter. TBH I'm more focused on the Russia/UA/NATO conflict, and my knowledge of Indian politics is limited to following two Indian MSM outlets (The Hindu and ToI specifically), so it goes without saying that your opinion matters a lot more.

By way of explaining myself - I wouldn't really call the Chinese ingressions "severe", although that is, of course, a subjective matter. There is currently cold peace between the two countries, with neither side gearing up for major hostilities - and perhap it's the best that can be hoped for under the circumstances. That is why I referred to your relations as "semi-decent" (again, a subjective thing). In the long run, as I've said, India and China are destined to be rivals, and quite possibly enemies.

Regarding relations with the US - yes, you're correct, although I honestly wouldn't blame Modi for that.

Now that is not to say I think Modi is a good leader - I happen to think he's well on his way to overturning democracy in India. I do, however, think he's acted in a somewhat rational manner on the foreign policy front.
 
Socom7 said:
I will absolutely defer to your judgment in the matter. TBH I'm more focused on the Russia/UA/NATO conflict, and my knowledge of Indian politics is limited to following two Indian MSM outlets (The Hindu and ToI specifically), so it goes without saying that your opinion matters a lot more.

By way of explaining myself - I wouldn't really call the Chinese ingressions "severe", although that is, of course, a subjective matter. There is currently cold peace between the two countries, with neither side gearing up for major hostilities - and perhap it's the best that can be hoped for under the circumstances. That is why I referred to your relations as "semi-decent" (again, a subjective thing). In the long run, as I've said, India and China are destined to be rivals, and quite possibly enemies.

Regarding relations with the US - yes, you're correct, although I honestly wouldn't blame Modi for that.

Now that is not to say I think Modi is a good leader - I happen to think he's well on his way to overturning democracy in India. I do, however, think he's acted in a somewhat rational manner on the foreign policy front.
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Coincidentally just after you said this, the Chinese FM visited us and both countries agreed to fix their ties and not let differences turn into dispute.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957636162857603389

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957508808701300987

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957480639890125155
 
7gtz said:
Coincidentally just after you said this, the Chinese FM visited us and both countries agreed to fix their ties and not let differences turn into dispute.
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Consistent with China securing its rear as it prepares for the invasion of Taiwan. In general, Indian policy vis a vis China has been reactive rather than proactive - and I expect this trend to continue.
 
7gtz said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1957138655509950808
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Without digging to deeply into this there is a sticking point on tariffs on Russian oil. Imposing tariffs so stringently that they drive the price up world wide defeat the purpose of limiting Russian oil revenue.

Lots of social media and media in general portraying the oil tariff’s schism as some kind of stake to the heart to economic ties.

What I would remind everyone regarding the issue of Russian oil imports.
They are not being addressed as an issue “due” to economic competition between nations. It’s not an effort to punish economic allies solely due to economic advantage.

They are being threatened or imposed to try and force a negotiated settlement to destructive 31/2 year long war with close to 1 million casualties.
One which involves a nuclear power and three other nuclear powers thru proxy support.

So I wouldn’t be too outraged or aplomb at daily breaking news or dramatic shifts in geopolitics.
Two months ago Chinese advanced fighters and C&C systems were used against India. Today Chinas hinting at reduced pressure on rare earth mineral exports to India. One can’t attach to much long term significance to the latest media blitz. We should remember that media organizations drive revenue with “breaking news and outrage”. And social media is often driven by opportunistic opposition nations to impact the situation.

What India might ask themselves is do they wish to remain a nation dependent upon Russian oil and Chinas REM’s so much so that when conflicts arise they are not in a strategic position to act as flexibly as the might wish.

The US is faced with these same issues. And even with our military, strategic location and economic footprint we are not able to act as independently in our self interest as we also might like.

Historically India has tried to remain an independent player on the world stage. Good on them, that is as it should be. But just as they have aggressively built a modern military. They also have to assert themselves in the procurement of raw materials as their economy grows. Do they wish to do that while still being dependent on Chinese REM’s and Russian oil. Maybe India would better be served by improving economic ties to the gulf states and Indonesian oil.
Just thinking out loud here.
 
I just hope India doesn't get too cozy with the authoritarian powers. :confused:
 
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