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I'm glad Israel didn't attack Iran while I was essentially cut off from outside world durring and many days after the hurricane.

But wow has Israel taken its sweet time. Pay back for when Iran did it to Israel. Iran leadership probably been shitting bricks for weeks. 😂
 
DarkNoon said:
France has decided: Israeli companies will not be able to exhibit at the Euronaval exhibition - one of the world's largest exhibitions of marine technologies.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1846278995152621861

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Macron says Israel PM ‘mustn’t forget his country created by UN decision’:

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Macron just keeps bringing great shame to his country, one thing after another. He needs to step down. Look at the riots everyday for years in your country sir. Your a disgrace. 🤮
 
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Macron just keeps bringing great shame to his country, one thing after another. He needs to step down. Look at the riots everyday for years in your country sir. Your a disgrace. 🤮
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Maybe Macron is pissed because France (along with the UK) were big losers in the Suez Crisis while Israel walked away with a degree of victory. Perhaps Marcon and France have just not built a bridge to get over that just yet....
 
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Maybe Macron is pissed because France (along with the UK) were big losers in the Suez Crisis while Israel walked away with a degree of victory. Perhaps Marcon and France have just not built a bridge to get over that just yet....
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Eh. It's about time another political party took care of Marcon by booting him out on the street where he belongs and end the disgrace he has been bringing upon France for to long.
 

Biden Administration Issues Warning to Israel on Gaza Aid​

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The Biden administration is urging Israel to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza or risk a cut to arms sales, the starkest threat by the U.S. since the war began last year.

In a letter to senior Israeli officials, dated Oct. 13 and signed by Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, the U.S. blamed Israel for a drastic drop in humanitarian aid into Gaza that contributed to starvation and widespread suffering, particularly in the enclave’s north where Israel launched a renewed ground operation nearly two weeks ago. The top American officials gave Israel 30 days to “reverse the downward humanitarian trajectory” or else it “may have implications” for future weapons transfers and funding under U.S. law.
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State Department officials said they want Israel to enable dramatic increases in humanitarian aid getting into Gaza.

“We have seen Israel make changes before, and when they make changes, humanitarian assistance can increase,” State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said Tuesday after the letter’s release. “We know it can be done, we know that the various logistical, bureaucratic obstacles can be surmounted, and so it is incumbent upon the government of Israel to surmount those challenges, and get the assistance in.”

The letter is an implicit admission that the U.S. assesses Israel’s actions in Gaza violate American law, analysts and former officials say. It also notes that an Israeli failure to improve Gaza’s spiraling situation could impact some future weapons sales under an arms-transfer policy which requires the recipient country to provide “credible and reliable” written assurances that it will use U.S.-provided arms in line with international humanitarian law.
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US says it opposes scope of Israeli air strikes in Beirut​

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WASHINGTON/ BEIRUT, Oct 15 (Reuters) - The United States, Israel's closest ally, on Tuesday said it opposed the scope of the country's air strikes in Beirut over the past few weeks amid a rising death toll and fears of wider escalation involving Iran.
Israeli military evacuation orders were also affecting more than a quarter of Lebanon, according to the U.N. refugee agency, two weeks after Israel began incursions into the south of the country that it says are aimed at pushing back Hezbollah.
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On Tuesday, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said the U.S. had expressed its concerns to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's administration on the recent strikes.
"When it comes to the scope and nature of the bombing campaign that we saw in Beirut over the past few weeks, it's something that we made clear to the government of Israel we had concerns with and we were opposed to," he told reporters, adopting a harsher tone than Washington has taken so far.
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The longer they wait, the less the moral justification they have. On the other hand, the world will never back Israel so who cares what the world thinks.
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I am not so sure Israel is going to respond any more. Or if they do respond, it will be muted and more clandestine in nature. I am not saying they shouldn't respond. I just think they've waited too long for whatever reason (be it internal planning, yielding to international - i.e. US - pressure, etc.)
  • To your point, waiting too long weakens their justification. It potentially reduces the urgency or need to respond. A military response becomes more arbitrary and disconnected from the event that triggered/required the response. It would be like punishing your pet dog tomorrow for pooping on the carpet two days ago.
  • Israel's air defenses proved very capable of thwarting much of Iranian rocket and missile attacks, and Iran's attack may get "forgotten" on the international stage because its impact was marginalized. It may just soon fade out of people's memory. It seems like Iran's attack is almost like the Duchy of Grand Fenwick attacking New York City with bowman (The Mouse that Roared reference).
  • Increasing international pressure to maintain the perceived "peace" of the status quo between Israel and Iran (i.e. there is no direct conflict between the two nations at the moment, and other nations may believe that it is going to remain that way if Israel does nothing.)
  • I believe that if Harris wins the US election, support from the US to Israel will change and cool off. Reduced support from the US may limit Israel's ability to sustain any kind of conflict with Iran.
  • There are reports/intimations of shortages of interceptor missiles for Israel air defenses (link below). If Israel initiates a significant attack, it may not have sufficient interceptors to adequately cover a response from Iran and its proxies. Fears Israel will have to LET missiles through defences in interceptor shortage
I'd like to be wrong. But this has just dragged out too long.
(Now watch Israel go launch its response 10 minutes after I click the Post Reply button. :p)
 
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President of the European Commission: The establishment of two states, "Palestinian and Israeli", is the only solution to peace:


(Source in Arbic, full translation of article above 👆.)
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رئيسة المفوضية الأوروبية: إحلال الدولتين «الفلسطينية والإسرائيلية» الحل الوحيد للسلام

أكدت رئيسة المفوضية الأوروبية، أورسولا فون دير لاين، أن إطلاق سراح السجناء وإطلاق الحلول الدبلوماسية هو السبيل للأمان.
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At this point the only thing i believe a two state solution will accomplish is two separate nations in a constant state of war.
No matter what the agreed upon territories are as finalized. Within six months the Palestinians will be crying about stolen land and the boarders are not fair, blah blah blah
New script, continuation of the same plot.?
 
I'm kind of scratching my head as to why the western countries don't seem to want to take out irans nuclear facilities. Is it possible in their infinite wisdom they are trying to achieve a balance of power in the middle east? I believe Israel is the only country there with nukes at the present time. Maybe they think a middle east MAD doctrine will bring peace there, I just don't know.
 
william said:
I'm kind of scratching my head as to why the western countries don't seem to want to take out irans nuclear facilities. Is it possible in their infinite wisdom they are trying to achieve a balance of power in the middle east? I believe Israel is the only country there with nukes at the present time. Maybe they think a middle east MAD doctrine will bring peace there, I just don't know.
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Israel can, but unprovoked if the US did, Russia might ensure that there are attempts on Israel’s Program. Also Russia could make thing far more difficult for the US with attacks on Gitmo, and further attacks in Syria. Russia has for their part stuck to the same play used by both parties in Shitastan and the US in during the American War in Indochina and esp Vietnam. Verbal castigation and not much else.

I suspect that the massive ~600,000 all types of casualties they have sustained in the UA are do to three (03) things:

• IndIfference and a huge risk tolerance.

• Self loathing / awareness that they are the aggressor

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• Abeyance. As a superpower (which they still see themselves as) they are expected to avoid escalation with their opponents. Something the US and Russia/USSR have informally done since the nearly catastrophic Cuban missile crisis.

My 2¢ YMMV
 
Torch said:
Israel can, but unprovoked if the US did, Russia might ensure that there are attempts on Israel’s Program. Also Russia could make thing far more difficult for the US with attacks on Gitmo, and further attacks in Syria. Russia has for their part stuck to the same play used by both parties in Shitastan and the US in during the American War in Indochina and esp Vietnam. Verbal castigation and not much else.

I suspect that the massive ~600,000 all types of casualties they have sustained in the UA are do to three (03) things:

• IndIfference and a huge risk tolerance.

• Self loathing / awareness that they are the aggressor

and finally my point

• Abeyance. As a superpower (which they still see themselves as) they are expected to avoid escalation with their opponents. Something the US and Russia/USSR have informally done since the nearly catastrophic Cuban missile crisis.

My 2¢ YMMV
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Russia (USSR) lost 26 million people in WW2. 600K is a mere drop in the bucket compared to that. As a result, to your point Russia has a much higher degree of risk tolerance and loss acceptance. Also, Russian democracy (such as it is) is not as mature as Western democracy. As a result, one could make the case that the Russian public is not accustomed to (or capable of) expressing war weariness the same way people are in Western democracies.

And to keep this on topic (apologies for the derailment), the time for the US to "deal" Iran was in 1979. But, I did think we were almost staging for some kind of action against Iran by establishing a presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can see us assisting with missile strikes and possible air strikes. But invasion I think is completely off the table unless Iran initiates substantial attacks/invasions against US interests or allies.
 
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william said:
I'm kind of scratching my head as to why the western countries don't seem to want to take out irans nuclear facilities. Is it possible in their infinite wisdom they are trying to achieve a balance of power in the middle east? I believe Israel is the only country there with nukes at the present time. Maybe they think a middle east MAD doctrine will bring peace there, I just don't know.
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Absolutely, this has been the western foreign policy solution since the 70’s at least. On the surface from a megalomaniac perspective it makes total sense. The reality is it has only propagated more conflict and suffering across the Middle East.
And to be fair to the western nations. Regimes in the Middle East have boughten into this whole cloth because it serves their own short term efforts to retain power. Rather than truly moderate Moslems nations rising to the surface there is a never ending retrograde to extremism. Because extremism is a useful tactic to take or hold on to power.
We saw a glimpse of the possible future with the Abraham Accords. But it would have been an unacceptable future for professional foreign policy and diplomatic professionals. What no Islamic radicals, no unstable extremist gov constantly keeping the ME in a roil?

This is why the IRG has been protected for the last 40 years.
 
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