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Language & Nuance

TSARBomba91

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I okay for following and respecting the rules of the forum but I am concerned that place will become too politically correct because sadly people don't understand nuance.

Like if I call the Iran (as in the government) terrorists scumbags I am not referring to all Iranians or Muslims but of course some people will perceive that in bad faith anyway.

I just want things to be clear so I can follow the rules without stepping on a landmine.
 
I okay for following and respecting the rules of the forum but I am concerned that place will become too politically correct because sadly people don't understand nuance.

Like if I call the Iran (as in the government) terrorists scumbags I am not referring to all Iranians or Muslims but of course some people will perceive that in bad faith anyway.

I just want things to be clear so I can follow the rules without stepping on a landmine.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I feel deep sorrow for the Iranian people and wish nothing but freedom and prosperity for them.

While at the same time I hope that anyone in the Iranian regime meets a fate worse than death. Death would be to good for the terrorist scumbags who run this filthy cancerous regime that needs to be amputated with extreme prejudice like a gangrene limb it is on the world theater.

Current Iranian regime is a cancerous gangrene limb that needs to be removed by any and all means necessary.
 
My understanding is that Iranians as a culture are pretty friendly. Their beliefs are that they must show hospitality to a stranger and protect them with their lives. (Comes from the OT command to show hospitality to strangers.)

It's the radicals that screw it up for everyone.
 
I okay for following and respecting the rules of the forum but I am concerned that place will become too politically correct because sadly people don't understand nuance.

Like if I call the Iran (as in the government) terrorists scumbags I am not referring to all Iranians or Muslims but of course some people will perceive that in bad faith anyway.

I just want things to be clear so I can follow the rules without stepping on a landmine.
First of all, there was no bad faith. Second, you have not been making that distinction in your comments. Also, the claim that the Iranian government are terrorist scumbags is your personal opinion. A lot of people consider the Israelis to also be worthy of this term due to their actions in Gaza and against Palestinians in general. Some people even consider Americans to be terrorists. Most importantly, however, my objection was not so much to the phrase "terrorist scumbags" as it was to the term "durka," which is a racial slur specifically aimed at Arabs. It is no different than making a comment using the "N" word to refer to African Americans. Please tell me why I should let your slur slide while no one would have any problems with me taking someone to task for using the other.

Please note that I am not commenting on who is right and who is wrong. I'm also not stating agreement with any side of the argument. I am saying that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and vice versa. 250 years ago, George Washington and the Continental Army were considered terrorists by England. 150 years ago, the southern states considered the northern states to be terrorists and vice versa. 85 years ago, the US government imprisoned American citizens of Japanese descent in prison camps due to fears of terrorism. 60 years ago, African Americans and others standing up for civil rights were considered terrorists. As recently as 35 years ago, the terrorists were in Iraq and Afghanistan, at least according to the US government. In all of these examples, history made the final determination many years after the fact, and that determination was made largely by the victors. Who is or is not a terrorist at any given moment is up for debate.

More importantly, however, is what all of these examples also have in common, and that is the derogatory slurs that came into use during each of those points in history. They weren't acceptable then; they aren't acceptable now, and that is NOT up for debate.
 
First of all, there was no bad faith. Second, you have not been making that distinction in your comments. Also, the claim that the Iranian government are terrorist scumbags is your personal opinion. A lot of people consider the Israelis to also be worthy of this term due to their actions in Gaza and against Palestinians in general. Some people even consider Americans to be terrorists. Most importantly, however, my objection was not so much to the phrase "terrorist scumbags" as it was to the term "durka," which is a racial slur specifically aimed at Arabs. It is no different than making a comment using the "N" word to refer to African Americans. Please tell me why I should let your slur slide while no one would have any problems with me taking someone to task for using the other.

Please note that I am not commenting on who is right and who is wrong. I'm also not stating agreement with any side of the argument. I am saying that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and vice versa. 250 years ago, George Washington and the Continental Army were considered terrorists by England. 150 years ago, the southern states considered the northern states to be terrorists and vice versa. 85 years ago, the US government imprisoned American citizens of Japanese descent in prison camps due to fears of terrorism. 60 years ago, African Americans and others standing up for civil rights were considered terrorists. As recently as 35 years ago, the terrorists were in Iraq and Afghanistan, at least according to the US government. In all of these examples, history made the final determination many years after the fact, and that determination was made largely by the victors. Who is or is not a terrorist at any given moment is up for debate.

More importantly, however, is what all of these examples also have in common, and that is the derogatory slurs that came into use during each of those points in history. They weren't acceptable then; they aren't acceptable now, and that is NOT up for debate.

I wasn't using because they were Arabs or their race (you don't have be from Arab decent to be a Muslim). Not all Arabs are Muslim. I used it to poke fun at the obvious stupid stereotypes that the Fundamentalists within certain sects of Islam conform to. You wanted me to make that distinction every time I posted it?

I got the word from Team America. A satire.

Like I have said I will refrain for using it in the future.

They weren't acceptable then; they aren't acceptable now, and that is NOT up for debate.

I will definitely stop if you never say this phase again.

I just don't want this forum to turn into Reddit.
 
You wanted me to make that distinction every time I posted it?
You have to understand that this website receives visits from new guests every day, sometimes hourly during a crisis. *I* know you and our regular posters know you, but what if the first post a visitor reads is one where it *appears* the commentary is racist in nature? Here's what most people don't understand unless they've worked with HR - It doesn't matter what the *intent* of your terminology is. What matters is the *perception* of the person reading it.

Keep in mind, I have allowed derogatory terms and slurs to slide in the past because the Director of this site has strong feelings on freedom of speech. I only called it out when it started happening on a regular basis and I thought a line had been crossed.

I'm not calling you a racist; I'm asking you (and everyone else) to be aware of words or phrases that are racist in nature and to not use them. You've already indicated that will do that, which I do appreciate, but hopefully this better explains why. The words people choose to use have a HUGE impact on the reputation of this site and this organization. We (staff members) have to be aware of that and not only protect but improve our reputation.

I hope that helps, but I am open to further dialogue if you want to continue the discussion. One last thing: I'm only second-in-command here. The Director calls the shots and I work for him. If he thinks I've overstepped my bounds or made a wrong call, he will let me know, and I will respect that even if I disagree with it.
 
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